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[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not sure what god has to do with grifty grifters grifting, except insomuch as it obviously forms a useful basis for their con.  Nor can I understand why you think that -I- consider any church to be a showcase of saints.  That;s certainly not any idea of mine...so it's difficult to see why I have a totally wrong idea that isn't my idea. Looks more like a pretext for you to babble about god, at me, a little bit more.

I would take issue with the notion that it's full of -recovering- addicts, though.  It seems to me that it's a gaggle of addicts engaging in their mutual addiction, and getting worked over for it, like addicts do.  Defending their supplier, like addicts do.  Defending and denying their addiction......like addicts do.

I understand that it makes you feel real good. I even understand why we sometimes allow that feeling to compell us to act against our own best interests or the interests of others. I can only suggest that, if you've reached the point where that feelgood high is so effective at compelling you to act..and that this action manifests itself as giving your money to known con artists and assorted grifty dealers.....it might be time to put down the pipe. All the sob stories you've ever read about people driven to poverty and ruin by their scam "church" started out as well intentioned believers with money to spare. You, in describing yourself, and even your willingness to give money to what you consider to be a cult, indicate that you are exactly the type of person those cons target.

That's worth looking at, regardless of your belief in gods..and realizing that you've been conned doesn't -have- to threaten your faith. Frankly, starving these assholes and their churches of the funds and victims on which they survive would do alot to improve christendom, from anyone's point of view.

[The Industrial Atheist]

There was the time when I was a Christian when I watched I think, John Haggee. He talked about how he was on a plane and he caught some guy swearing and possibly blaspheming.
He said he physically grabbed the guy around the collar and gave him the business rather aggressively about his behavior and he apologized. On later reflection I came to two conclusions.

1. This likely never actually happened.
2. If It did, Haggee was lucky he didn't get headbutted or kicked off the flight.

[The Grand Nudger]

Strong Christian Moral Character;  assault people who say mean words about your imaginary friend.

Can you imagine that in a post 9/11 world? The air marshal comes up and asks what happens. The victim" IDK, this nutter grabbed my neck and started shouting religious extremist shit at me, so I kneed him in the groin."

[pocaracas]

I think this is a case for House!

How sad is it when you give up God, your sources of wisdom truth and standards includes defunct tv show catch phrases.

I was going for a simple photo of the guy, so you'd know to which House I was referring to. The doctor who figures out a disease from a bunch of weirdly seemingly uncorrelated symptoms.... which is what you seemed to be depicting about yourself.

Also, you don't expect us to believe that you recovered from a burst appendix in one night... Not to mention septicemia.

How about "Everybody sin" was the original take on House's catch phrase the only variable is what an indivisual's sin of choice is...

How about no?
Sin implies the existence of a god.
Lying implies the existence of humans.

One of these implied factors is self-evidently in existence. The other, not so much.

In truth people lie when they feel they are lacking. or don't meet a given measure. Christianity as taught by Christ and Paul in the bible removes that standard from which we need to lie to meet. If you live with out the rule or standard shaming you, then what is their to lie about?

What is there to lie about?

If someone is convinced that a particular lie is true, and then propagates it.... is that lying?
Perhaps it's not lying, from the point of view of the person who's convinced of the truth of the lie.... but it can be seen as a lie, by someone who isn't convinced.

I'm saying that I'm not convinced that the narrative you present matches the bits that I can accept as facts. There is probably a different explanation, so better call in dr. House.

[Drich]

First I must define AIDS because most of you, even in this day an age don't understand the difference or the correlation between AIDS and HIV.

AIDS is an Auto immune deficiency syndrome. This describes a individual's inability to defend the body from infection or disease. often because of a white blood cell defecncy.

Which is how HIV get's thrown into the mix. HIV is a virus that attacks the body's ability to produce and foster a health white blood cells. Which once a white cell count goes below a certain level one is diagnosed with AIDS.

Now as I've shown it is possible to have contracted AIDS (A senerio where you healthy white cell count is low through a viral infection/HIV) but your body can also be diagnosed with AIDS without the presence of HIV. below is a list from oxford medical tht explain all the other reasons one would be diagnosised with AIDS apart from HIV.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QM0wDA...cy&f=false



Now to be honest until this last cancer thing (spent alot of time with a hematologist, Dr. Hydezenburg (spelling wrong but of german/agentinain decent if I remember correctly )I had no idea of all of this and from the early 90's when all of this happened.  I had no idea as to why I showed symptoms/skin virus hundreds of skin lesions all over my chest fore arms and shoulders. So went to a doc in a box he had to look it up, and came back with a book, he read out what it was and the likely cause. "Compromised immune system typically found on patents with late stage/full blown AIDS. was made to take a test a week or two later the test came back positive, was made to retest, and in that time i made peace with God. Did not fear death as I once had. I also remember helping a co-worker who I did not like clean himself up after a blood fall he has some months or even a year or so before. told Him to get checked. (even though He has just got me fired and I was startinga new Job) Durning that time I was going in stages to have the lesion removed and 1/2 way through (I could only do so many a week as it was very painful) the rest disappeared on their own shortly after I gave up and gave what Time I had left to God. At the end of the 2nd week, the AIDS test showed I was clear.

Now fast forward to 2015 and my cancer scare That started because now for whatever reason I am over producing white cells. not only that they said they found a cancer marker? but not the protein that supposed to go with the marker, or the found a protein and no marker either way this lead to hundreds of blood tests and dozens of very invasive procedures, over a year.. the least invasive but most expensive was my cat scan. I went in and when I was scanned I could hear someone say "that doesn't look good lets get a few more of that.. then had to sit and wait for my Das doc-torb to review the scan.. He we out and checked it out of the room. he was gone like an hour. he said he had to consult with several other colleagues. He said everything looks ok, but let me ask you. ever had an adominal pain? I said no off the cuff. He said ever been punched in the adomine or been in a bad car accident or anything.. and it hit me.. I do remember being in the worst pain ever about two years prior I could not even stand up all the way. I was laying an moaning in bed, got my wife's attention and told her she needed to take me to the emergency room I think my appendix was going to burst. She asked me where it hurt I showed her and she punched me in the stomach right where I said it hurt the most. I doubled over and made my way to bed certain she just killed me. "She told me walk it off pussy" then I felt this warm feeling and everything was better. I woke up a little sore and felt fine. by the 3rd day it was all like new. So I'm walking around with a burst appendix as well. the doctor said there was no reason to go in and get it as it was inactive.

Just one more amazing thing. Aids meh, cancer BTDT, burst appendix don't recommend it but it isn't as bad as they say it is. I've had ear infctions way worse. Some hurt so bad and last so long the only way out seems like a bullet.

Anyway I share that again because during the time with the doctor after all the genetic bone marrow biopsys and everything else came back negative the doctor simply said I was one of the less than 2% of the population who's white cells run a little hot an I make a marker or protein that is typically identified with cancer. He also said it is not untypical for my cell to have fluctuated earlier in life meaning I could have ran low to the point where my immune system was compromised.

When we started this whole thing my urologist told me I have a 98% chance of having "man cancer/butt gland cancer or bladder or bone marrow cancer" When I didn't break down and cry, he asked if I understood. I said yes. I have cancer there is a 98% chance of it. the only question is where I have chocolate vanilla or strawberry. He said Mr. Rich, you need to take things seriously. What I realized then is you all work in little boxes of predictable outcomes and behaviors. and when someone if fueled by something outside of your little boxes, you become afraid, and rather try and understand why I did not break down and cry or why I wasn't scared in the least... it is easier to call me a liar or pretend that I am not aware or able to experience life on your level.

Here's the thing. What I said was absolutely true about all those years ago about being told I had AIDs having the skin leasions and (still have the scars where they freezer/burned them off) and what  said about giving my self to God in a way I had not considered to that point. This was my spiritual awakening my death to self moment. where I decided to be a slave for God. Now whether that mean I served in Heaven in s short time or if I served here on earth for a while first. I decided to serve God with whatever I had, and he has blessed me for doing so.

I did not cry I was not scared at the 98% cancer not because  was in denial but because I knew whatever the outcome I was doing what i was put here to do, even if it meant die with cancer. again I gave up my life and decided to work for God no matter what that meant. If it meant cancer. I'd probly be dead now, but it didn't at lest not since my last check up in march. But no that seem to be a put your favorite thing on the alter and offer it to me moment and I did. He stopped the sacrifice and gave me another job.

This one includes a car lot of cars to drive, a new house and a bigger business..

Call me on that one sport and I'll put you up for the week end and show you around. and you can ask y family of al of those things yourself.

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AIDS is Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) is a chronic, potentially life-threatening condition caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)..: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20373524   So, there is your first piece of bullshit. If you read the reference you can't contract AIDS without contracting HIV-1 (HTLV-3). AIDS is not an autoimmune deficiency. Your source discusses immune deficiency only. You lie

The test came back positive for what? HIV? That is the only way to have AIDS. Low T or B cell counts does not mean AIDS. Low counts can be caused by multiple factors. To state that it is AIDS is a lie. 

Over production of white cells does not a cancer scare make. Walking around with a burst appendix is more bullshit. You lie. 

A urologist would never address cancers outside of the urogenital system. You lie.

Why should I come to listen to the lies you told your family from your family. I thought that lying for god was a no no. 

If you'd like to get written statements from your physicians (on their letter heads/with signatures, medical records would be better) backing up everything you have said, PM them to me. Then we'll talk

 google NON-HIV AIDS Subject closed.
They do not know what causes it it can describes an autoimmune deficiency that can come and go to due to a whole long list of suspected factors.. 

The test was for HIV then they issued a second test that came back clear. Again was given the test because of the 100's if not thousands of skin leasion noramally associated with late state AIDS patent just "appeared" on arms and upper body. still have a few scars from them.

White cell count with blood in urine and cancer protein without mrker or cancer marker without protein (can remember which) that is enoughto spend several 1000 dollars in co pays and treatment

Urologist absolutely did Tell me I have a 98% chance of cancer just don't know where it is. ( was sitting on the exame table and he dam near gave me a heart attack when he burt into the room looked me dead in the eye and said I'm sorry but you have some sort of cancer. Didn't know where it was but Told me of all the invasive thing he was going to do and told me to get 1/2 a dozen other things done. because my obama care would allow me to see him for the urology bit but had to goto the UF cancer center down town for the hematology bit. then lectured me on how I lived my life, told me I had a 98% chance of having cancer and I needed to follow his direction to the letter. I am sure I am not the first person he has done this too.
And i didn't walk around with a brst appendix I slept it off.

You scared to hear more than one person tell you the same story? you afraid you might have to reexamine your life?

You people are such hypocrites. you ask why doesn't God heal why can't you produce a 1st person example you always hear of someone else or a friend of a friend.Here with me you have a first person example... think of all the questions you could ask.. but rather you just call me a lair and hope this will allow you to sleep at night for fear I am telling you the 100% God's Honest truth.

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe you should just give it up? You're either bad at this, or for whatever reason™ every member of this board is incapable of recognizing your honest brilliance. I think it's the first one...but I can understand why you'd have yourself convinced it's the other thing.

Regardless, it obviously isn't working.....so?

[Drich]

First I must define AIDS because most of you, even in this day an age don't understand the difference or the correlation between AIDS and HIV.

AIDS is an Auto immune deficiency syndrome. This describes a individual's inability to defend the body from infection or disease. often because of a white blood cell defecncy.

Which is how HIV get's thrown into the mix. HIV is a virus that attacks the body's ability to produce and foster a health white blood cells. Which once a white cell count goes below a certain level one is diagnosed with AIDS.

Now as I've shown it is possible to have contracted AIDS (A senerio where you healthy white cell count is low through a viral infection/HIV) but your body can also be diagnosed with AIDS without the presence of HIV. below is a list from oxford medical tht explain all the other reasons one would be diagnosised with AIDS apart from HIV.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QM0wDA...cy&f=false

Now to be honest until this last cancer thing (spent alot of time with a hematologist, Dr. Hydezenburg (spelling wrong but of german/agentinain decent if I remember correctly )I had no idea of all of this and from the early 90's when all of this happened.  I had no idea as to why I showed symptoms/skin virus hundreds of skin lesions all over my chest fore arms and shoulders. So went to a doc in a box he had to look it up, and came back with a book, he read out what it was and the likely cause. "Compromised immune system typically found on patents with late stage/full blown AIDS. was made to take a test a week or two later the test came back positive, was made to retest, and in that time i made peace with God. Did not fear death as I once had. I also remember helping a co-worker who I did not like clean himself up after a blood fall he has some months or even a year or so before. told Him to get checked. (even though He has just got me fired and I was startinga new Job) Durning that time I was going in stages to have the lesion removed and 1/2 way through (I could only do so many a week as it was very painful) the rest disappeared on their own shortly after I gave up and gave what Time I had left to God. At the end of the 2nd week, the AIDS test showed I was clear.

Now fast forward to 2015 and my cancer scare That started because now for whatever reason I am over producing white cells. not only that they said they found a cancer marker? but not the protein that supposed to go with the marker, or the found a protein and no marker either way this lead to hundreds of blood tests and dozens of very invasive procedures, over a year.. the least invasive but most expensive was my cat scan. I went in and when I was scanned I could hear someone say "that doesn't look good lets get a few more of that.. then had to sit and wait for my Das doc-torb to review the scan.. He we out and checked it out of the room. he was gone like an hour. he said he had to consult with several other colleagues. He said everything looks ok, but let me ask you. ever had an adominal pain? I said no off the cuff. He said ever been punched in the adomine or been in a bad car accident or anything.. and it hit me.. I do remember being in the worst pain ever about two years prior I could not even stand up all the way. I was laying an moaning in bed, got my wife's attention and told her she needed to take me to the emergency room I think my appendix was going to burst. She asked me where it hurt I showed her and she punched me in the stomach right where I said it hurt the most. I doubled over and made my way to bed certain she just killed me. "She told me walk it off pussy" then I felt this warm feeling and everything was better. I woke up a little sore and felt fine. by the 3rd day it was all like new. So I'm walking around with a burst appendix as well. the doctor said there was no reason to go in and get it as it was inactive.

---

Just one more amazing thing. Aids meh, cancer BTDT, burst appendix don't recommend it but it isn't as bad as they say it is. I've had ear infctions way worse. Some hurt so bad and last so long the only way out seems like a bullet.

Anyway I share that again because during the time with the doctor after all the genetic bone marrow biopsys and everything else came back negative the doctor simply said I was one of the less than 2% of the population who's white cells run a little hot an I make a marker or protein that is typically identified with cancer. He also said it is not untypical for my cell to have fluctuated earlier in life meaning I could have ran low to the point where my immune system was compromised.

When we started this whole thing my urologist told me I have a 98% chance of having "man cancer/butt gland cancer or bladder or bone marrow cancer" When I didn't break down and cry, he asked if I understood. I said yes. I have cancer there is a 98% chance of it. the only question is where I have chocolate vanilla or strawberry. He said Mr. Rich, you need to take things seriously. What I realized then is you all work in little boxes of predictable outcomes and behaviors. and when someone if fueled by something outside of your little boxes, you become afraid, and rather try and understand why I did not break down and cry or why I wasn't scared in the least... it is easier to call me a liar or pretend that I am not aware or able to experience life on your level.

Here's the thing. What I said was absolutely true about all those years ago about being told I had AIDs having the skin leasions and (still have the scars where they freezer/burned them off) and what  said about giving my self to God in a way I had not considered to that point. This was my spiritual awakening my death to self moment. where I decided to be a slave for God. Now whether that mean I served in Heaven in s short time or if I served here on earth for a while first. I decided to serve God with whatever I had, and he has blessed me for doing so.

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Okay, so you do appear to understand the difference between 1. Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome, and 2. Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. You cannot present with the second one unless you've first been infected with HIV. The first one can ALSO encompass a myriad of Auto Immune Diseases and disorders, both primary and secondary; many of which could allow for some persons diagnosed to be cured if the primary condition were successfully managed/addressed.

So I guess what some folks may be wondering is why you think a recovery from non-HIV AIDS is particularly miraculous, or miraculous at all. Additionally, there may be a perception that you'd been deliberately attempting to mislead people by implying that you were "miraculously" cured of HIV/AIDS (which would be more compelling) when you knew you never actually had it.

If you were only made aware of the specifics recently, however, it would just seem that you were too quick in assigning Level 5 Miraculocity to the event.

You are right.

I did have a test comeback HIV positive and the second and everyone since came back negative. In 1994 or 5 there was no NON-HIV AIDS, and not till 2013/14 did I find out about NON-HIV AIDS

I posted my AIDS story in what my first post on this message board?

To me then I had AIDS then I didn't as witnessed by the 100/1000s of AIDS skin leasions

Now that we understand it is not a big deal, but to those who only think of AIDS one way I must be a liar

[pocaracas]

In case you missed it, Drich.... check my reply just above your own, here.

[brewer]

 google NON-HIV AIDS Subject closed.
They do not know what causes it it can describes an autoimmune deficiency that can come and go to due to a whole long list of suspected factors.. 

The test was for HIV then they issued a second test that came back clear. Again was given the test because of the 100's if not thousands of skin leasion noramally associated with late state AIDS patent just "appeared" on arms and upper body. still have a few scars from them.

White cell count with blood in urine and cancer protein without mrker or cancer marker without protein (can remember which) that is enoughto spend several 1000 dollars in co pays and treatment

Urologist absolutely did Tell me I have a 98% chance of cancer just don't know where it is. ( was sitting on the exame table and he dam near gave me a heart attack when he burt into the room looked me dead in the eye and said I'm sorry but you have some sort of cancer. Didn't know where it was but Told me of all the invasive thing he was going to do and told me to get 1/2 a dozen other things done. because my obama care would allow me to see him for the urology bit but had to goto the UF cancer center down town for the hematology bit. then lectured me on how I lived my life, told me I had a 98% chance of having cancer and I needed to follow his direction to the letter. I am sure I am not the first person he has done this too.
And i didn't walk around with a brst appendix I slept it off.

You scared to hear more than one person tell you the same story? you afraid you might have to reexamine your life?

You people are such hypocrites. you ask why doesn't God heal why can't you produce a 1st person example you always hear of someone else or a friend of a friend.Here with me you have a first person example... think of all the questions you could ask.. but rather you just call me a lair and hope this will allow you to sleep at night for fear I am telling you the 100% God's Honest truth.

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In the medical community the term AIDS is strictly limited to "acquired immune deficiency syndrome" that is caused by HIV. You just want to twist it for your dramatic god effect. There is no such thing in medicine as non HIV AIDS. That is limited to drama queens or those with limited mental capacity. Autoimmune disorder is not and never will be AIDS. 

The skin lesions in immunocompromised patients are many and not limited only to AIDS patients. Just more make believe drama on your part. 

Finding RBC and WBC with/without protein markers in the urine also occur with many conditions and is not necessarily cancer. Again with the drama. 

If you are reporting the urologist statement correctly (which I believe is a complete fabrication on your part) then he was an idiot. Did the UF cancer center tell you that you had cancer???

You don't walk off or sleep off a burst appendix. More than likely this was gas that you farted out. Yet another lie for dramatic effect. 

I'm not scared of your fantasy fabrication stories. I know medical bullshit when I hear it. Yours are bullshit lies. 

You may think it's the truth for to enhance your god drama but it does not stand up to examination. Time to back up your bullshit stories with medical facts. But you won't, just as with all miracle medical claims, because you know it's all fabrication.

Edit: Can we hear from the other theists here about what they think or the drich story (stories)????

[KevinM1]

The thing with Drich is that these things - non-HIV AIDS, surviving a burst appendix, etc. - are real things that happen, but their consequences don't simply vanish into thin air.

Non-HIV AIDS (Idiopathic CD4+ T-lymphocytopenia) exists.  It's incredibly rare (about 1% of all AIDS patients have it), but it exists.  Research is currently being done on it.  You can read more here: http://www.autoimmune.com/Non-HIVAIDSGen.html.  Suffice it to say, it's not something that just goes away, and if he was at the stage of having hundreds to thousands of lesions on his skin, then he'd likely be dead now.

A burst appendix is not necessarily immediate death.  That said, it would result in a raging infection, leading to sepsis (which I've actually had... not fun).  Untreated, yes, it can lead to death. The pain would subside, but other symptoms would manifest as the infection spread. So, again, he'd be dead by now.

Of course, he'll just say, "That's why it's a miracle!"  But, as with all other god claims, without proof there's no need to take it seriously. Especially from someone with a history of not understanding/misrepresenting things.