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Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
#81
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 14, 2017 at 3:37 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(December 14, 2017 at 2:50 am)Godscreated Wrote: God created the earth and established it's place in the universe

What place in the universe are you talking about?

Right here where we're at, traveling around a sun with seven other planets and our moon.

(December 14, 2017 at 2:50 am)Godscreated Wrote: Can you move the earth or has anyone ever moved the earth, hint no, so the verses speak the truth.
 
FM Wrote:And yet it moves. So the verse is lying, especially since it mentions that Earth lies on foundations and it also says in many verses that it's the Sun that revolves around the Earth.

By God's command it moves. The Bible says nothing about the sun moving around the earth. The foundation is God's spoken word. So the verses are telling the truth as they knew it and we know it. Tough luck FM, you've failed to disprove anything.

(December 14, 2017 at 2:50 am)Godscreated Wrote: Bible was never intended to be a book of science and astronomy

FM Wrote:So why why do you then consider it to be a book on biology? If it's a textbook on biology why not astronomy?

I do not, it's you that tries to argue it is.

(December 14, 2017 at 2:50 am)Godscreated Wrote: They are as big a dunce as you are, they know no more about the Bible than you do

FM Wrote:But you didn't explain how since they do consider biological evolution to be false, like you, with scientists colluding with the devil to take more people to hell as well with Vatican - all the same viewpoints that you have.

 Biological evolution is false, it hasn't been proven not even close. I have a consistent view point that holds true to the scriptures, I have no idea what you are rambling about.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#82
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
Luther was a clown who admitted to manipulating Scripture in his German translation to teach his "Salvation" which he thought--must be true(the Catholics where teaching "Justification"). He had to manipulate it because the Greek says no such thing(nor justification). Also, he was extremely anti-Semitic and his rhetoric of "burning synagogues" and "kicking the Jews out of Germany" was borrowed by the Nazis. Now, isn't that odd considering Jesus and the Apostles were Jew?

The reason Catholic priests don't marry was because a pope in about 1100AD said they should not do so, unbeknown to the priests, so that the church could have their inheritances. The Catholic church was all about the money--selling indulgences, etc.

Paul(in the first century) in the book of Romans chapter one talks about vile creatures known as "homosexuals" and paints a very ghastly picture of them--male and female. If you've ever been to Italy, specifically Pompeii, buried in the first century, you would know what he was talking about. The artifacts taken are in a Naples museum called the "Secret Closet" and it's all pornography.

The reason Paul did that is because in Chapter 2 he says(paraphrasing) to the Romans whom he never met, "If you go on passing judgement', "Then your just a bunch of fags!" Paul set them up.

The bible is an Adam and Eve thing only! No Adam and Steve! Why, because God loves women too. In fact, in the ancient writings(originally oral going back before Moses) of the Jews known as the Talmud, there is the "Law of onar". Which basically says, "You men bring your wife to orgasm or else!" Nullification of marriage and if her daddies rich, you betta get busy boy! Remember this always men: her sexual response system is complicated and unique. Your thing is so simple it reads like a bottle of shampoo--wash, rinse, repeat!
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#83
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 1:20 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 14, 2017 at 8:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Luther had no qualms about appealing to the Bible as justification for his anti-Copernican stance, as did others.  Why should I believe anything in the Bible beyond it being a poor source of history?

Pertaining to the verses we've discussed.  Tell me can't you see how the Bible was relevant to Luther and others and relevant to Christians today even though science has shown us so much about the universe that they could not have known? The Bible was never intended to be a history book, it is a spiritual manual for Christians to live their lives by, and for the non-believer to find their way to God.

GC

If it's terrible on history and science, why should I trust it on spirituality?  If it can be wrong on the former, why not the latter?  Again, you have given me no reason to take it seriously.
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#84
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 3:30 am)Godscreated Wrote: the Bible says nothing about the sun moving around the earth.
Actually there are at least 67 Bible verses about how the Sun is the one that is moving, like:
Psalm 19:6 The sun rises at one end of the heavens and follows its course to the other end. Nothing can hide from its heat.

But I get it, you live in denial. You don't want to admit that Bible gives false information, that were then science of the day in line with Babylonians who believed that the Earth is flat, lying on foundations with heaven (firmament) as a semi-spherical vault that nestles down over the earth. Not just that but Paul believed it too and he also believed in heaven being divided in many layers (ever heard of expression 7th heaven? Where do you think that came about?).

(December 15, 2017 at 3:30 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not [think Bible is biology textbook], it's you that tries to argue it is.
Oh but you do, in the very same post "Biological evolution is false, it hasn't been proven not even close. I have a consistent view point that holds true to the scriptures".

It's hard to talk with people like you because you are driven by emotion and I am just looking it with logic and rationalize. You start with wanting something to be true, like the that Bible is 100% accurate in description of world around us and history, yet it's not so you just go into this ridiculous excuses for the Bible that nobody finds credible. At least flat earthers Christians admit that Bible describes Earth as flat, but like any emotional driven people they start coming up with ridiculous conspiracies why majority of people don't think that way.
Like you, when I noted that you think that scientists are colluding with the devil to bring more people to hell to which you responded "I have no idea what you are rambling about" and yet all credible scientists say there is plenty of evidence that biological evolution happened to which you say there is no evidence. Are they lying? Why would they say that? Can't they read the Bible? What is their agenda to teach it to children?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#85
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 10, 2017 at 8:01 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: Just why? Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. Is it because religions want more followers and homos don't usually reproduce? Then why aren't Catholic priests llowed to marry? Are they supposed to have a relationship only with God? Also, Christianity preaches that you should be ashamed of sex. If they wanted people to reproduce why would they make them fear reproduction?
Is it because homosexuals are a minority, and humans naturally despise who isn't following the herd? Does religion preach against homosexuality so that it could attract the majority?

Most religions center around "traditional family structure which under girds the type of society Religion seeks to build. Homosexuality is anti traditional family. No mom and dad no kids. Homosexuality is typically centered around self or the individual want/need rather than a collective. which was the only way any young society had a chance in 'making it.'
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#86
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(December 10, 2017 at 8:01 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: Just why? Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. Is it because religions want more followers and homos don't usually reproduce? Then why aren't Catholic priests llowed to marry? Are they supposed to have a relationship only with God? Also, Christianity preaches that you should be ashamed of sex. If they wanted people to reproduce why would they make them fear reproduction?
Is it because homosexuals are a minority, and humans naturally despise who isn't following the herd? Does religion preach against homosexuality so that it could attract the majority?

Most religions center around "traditional family structure which under girds the type of society Religion seeks to build. Homosexuality is anti traditional family. No mom and dad no kids. Homosexuality is typically centered around self or the individual want/need rather than a collective. which was the only way any young society had a chance in 'making it.'

Then there is the inconsistency of the atheists who think evolved instincts serve as a basis for morality. Having desires misdirected toward non-reproductive proclivities and undermining familial structures is similar to lacking the innate empathy that atheists say informs moral choices.
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RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(December 15, 2017 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote: Most religions center around "traditional family structure which under girds the type of society Religion seeks to build. Homosexuality is anti traditional family. No mom and dad no kids. Homosexuality is typically centered around self or the individual want/need rather than a collective. which was the only way any young society had a chance in 'making it.'

Then there is the inconsistency of the atheists who think evolved instincts serve as a basis for morality. Having desires misdirected toward non-reproductive proclivities and undermining familial structures is similar to lacking the innate empathy that atheists say informs moral choices.

What does it matter to you what two consenting adults do in their private lives?
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#88
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(December 15, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Then there is the inconsistency of the atheists who think evolved instincts serve as a basis for morality. Having desires misdirected toward non-reproductive proclivities and undermining familial structures is similar to lacking the innate empathy that atheists say informs moral choices.

What does it matter to you what two consenting adults do in their private lives?

I am questioning whether homosexuality is moral according to the source of ethics (i.e. evolutionary mandates) commonly proposed by atheists. It seems like they are incompatible.
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#89
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(December 10, 2017 at 8:01 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: Just why? Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. Is it because religions want more followers and homos don't usually reproduce? Then why aren't Catholic priests llowed to marry? Are they supposed to have a relationship only with God? Also, Christianity preaches that you should be ashamed of sex. If they wanted people to reproduce why would they make them fear reproduction?
Is it because homosexuals are a minority, and humans naturally despise who isn't following the herd? Does religion preach against homosexuality so that it could attract the majority?

Most religions center around "traditional family structure which under girds the type of society Religion seeks to build. Homosexuality is anti traditional family. No mom and dad no kids. Homosexuality is typically centered around self or the individual want/need rather than a collective. which was the only way any young society had a chance in 'making it.'

Don't leave out the Holy Sacraments of Divorce and Remarriage and how important they are to God's sacred plan of heterosexuality.
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#90
RE: Why are most religions agains homosexuality?
(December 15, 2017 at 3:58 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:
(December 15, 2017 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote: Most religions center around "traditional family structure which under girds the type of society Religion seeks to build. Homosexuality is anti traditional family. No mom and dad no kids. Homosexuality is typically centered around self or the individual want/need rather than a collective. which was the only way any young society had a chance in 'making it.'

Don't leave out the Holy Sacraments of Divorce and Remarriage and how important they are to God's sacred plan of heterosexuality.

Yes, the "not-so-infallible" Church has changed its (her) tune on that supposedly "unchangeable dogma".

(December 15, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(December 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What does it matter to you what two consenting adults do in their private lives?

I am questioning whether homosexuality is moral according to the source of ethics (i.e. evolutionary mandates) commonly proposed by atheists. It seems like they are incompatible.

Your opinion, sir. Homosexual unions are legal, now and forever.
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