Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.

[John V]

The authors of John do not care about history; they place Jesus' crucifixion on the Day of Preparation, because they want Jesus, the "perfect lamb", sacrificed on the same day that the lambs in the Temple were being slaughtered.  Its just a motif for them.

Why can't the crucifixion happen on the same day in the synoptics?

[vulcanlogician]

Why can't the crucifixion happen on the same day in the synoptics?

John 19:14 says it was the day before Passover.
"It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews."

Mark 14:12 says on the first day of Passover
"On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"



I'll admit, I'm out of my element here, but I looked up both verses. They appear to be talking about two different days. How do you explain this?

[Jehanne]

Why can't the crucifixion happen on the same day in the synoptics?

John 19:14 says it was the day before Passover.
"It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews."

Mark 14:12 says on the first day of Passover
"On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"



I'll admit, I'm out of my element here, but I looked up both verses. They appear to be talking about two different days. How do you explain this?

It's called a "contradiction".

[Minimalist]

@mini: Please... Vorlon is obviously just parroting things he's read elsewhere without checking into himself.

That is hilarious coming from a fucktard like you who thinks his fucking bible is real.  Tell me, have you ever had an original thought in your entire miserable life?

[John V]

John 19:14 says it was the day before Passover.
"It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews."

Mark 14:12 says on the first day of Passover
"On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"

I'll admit, I'm out of my element here, but I looked up both verses. They appear to be talking about two different days. How do you explain this?

The simplest explanation is to note that days ran from sundown to sundown. The verse in Mark is referring to the beginning of the day (i.e. evening), and the verse in John is referring to the later part of the same day. For us these would be two different days. For Hebrews, same day.

John says it was the day of preparation. Mark said they were going to make preparations.

Note that Mark 14 begins by talking about the timing:

Mark 14
1 After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. 2 But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people.”

So, despite it saying a few sentences earlier that they were not going to kill Jesus during the feast, you're interpreting v12 to mean that they did kill Jesus during the feast. And note what happened after the meal that evening. Jesus sent Judas out. Jesus went out with the apostles. Men were sent to arrest Jesus. The Sanhedrin assembled and called in witnesses. All this happened at night. The problem with supposing that the meal was the Passover meal is that they were prohibited from leaving the house until the next morning. Remember, the point of Passover was that any first born not in a marked house would die.

Ex 12
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb. 22 And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning. 23 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you. 24 And you shall observe this thing as an ordinance for you and your sons forever.

There's no way the Pharisees are going out for any reason after the Passover meal. The John and Mark events all happened on the day (sundown to sundown) before the Passover meal.

[Jehanne]

John 19:14 says it was the day before Passover.
"It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews."

Mark 14:12 says on the first day of Passover
"On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"

I'll admit, I'm out of my element here, but I looked up both verses. They appear to be talking about two different days. How do you explain this?

The simplest explanation is to note that days ran from sundown to sundown. The verse in Mark is referring to the beginning of the day (i.e. evening), and the verse in John is referring to the later part of the same day. For us these would be two different days. For Hebrews, same day.

John says it was the day of preparation. Mark said they were going to make preparations.

Note that Mark 14 begins by talking about the timing:

Mark 14
1 After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. 2 But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people.”

So, despite it saying a few sentences earlier that they were not going to kill Jesus during the feast, you're interpreting v12 to mean that they did kill Jesus during the feast. And note what happened after the meal that evening. Jesus sent Judas out. Jesus went out with the apostles. Men were sent to arrest Jesus. The Sanhedrin assembled and called in witnesses. All this happened at night. The problem with supposing that the meal was the Passover meal is that they were prohibited from leaving the house until the next morning. Remember, the point of Passover was that any first born not in a marked house would die.

Ex 12
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb. 22 And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning. 23 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you. 24 And you shall observe this thing as an ordinance for you and your sons forever.

There's no way the Pharisees are going out for any reason after the Passover meal. The John and Mark events all happened on the day (sundown to sundown) before the Passover meal.

What about this verse:

The Burial of Jesus

42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...sion=RSVCE

[Godscreated]

 The contradictions in that poll are obvious, why didn't you see them. bias blindness no doubt.

GC

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Well, help me "see the light" GC?  The three categories add to 100% for each year; what does the poll, from your perspective, mean?

 The first and third are the same thing, if you add them together you have 71%. There are in actuality only two categories .

GC

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We have a CLEAR crucifixion story on Maundy Thursday in John.  So God clearly demands belief in a Thursday crucifixion.  No doubt about it.

Mark and Luke are on board with Friday, and that's well and good too, but Friday does not equal Thursday, so God in His infinite Plan and majesty wants His believers to believe in a Friday crucifixion too.  I'm thinking a believer need not question His plan, and just stick with believing it, since Scripture offers no other choice. Indeed.

And to be clear, I'm even spotting the believers here a PASS (out of my generosity!!) for not rubbing their noses also insisting on a THIRD crucifixion on Wednesday since Matthew invoked Jonah's 72 hour stay inside a whale as an harbinger of Jesus staying dead, dead, dead for 72 hours also, and that GROSSLY mungs up a Friday crucifixion (other than God inspiring those accounts too.  And a case could be made that in honor of the Holy Trinity, Jesus very well could have been crucified THREE physical times, Ash Wednesday, Maundy Thursday, AND Friday.)

I've almost convinced myself there, in fact, that a triple could very well indeed be ordained as the ultimate revelation of the Holy Magnificence of the Trinity.

Praise the TRINITY !!!


So, sorry believers, but you're not believing very well there if you only believe Jesus was nailed up once. The Lord God Almighty has ordained belief in MULTIPLE (lest Holy Scripture be questioned!) crucifixions, and the only REAL question is whether or not Jesus was crucified twice, or THREE times.

The single crucifixion tale is as dead as the tree(s) Jesus crosses were made from.

 That's a load of crock and nothing more. John has Jesus crucified on Friday, so this puts an end to your argument, period.

GC

[John V]

What about this verse:

The Burial of Jesus

42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...sion=RSVCE

What about it? What do you find problematic?

[Jehanne]

What about this verse:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...sion=RSVCE

What about it? What do you find problematic?

John contradicts Mark.

[John V]

What about it? What do you find problematic?

John contradicts Mark.

How so? Can you actually explain your position? I'm guessing that you're incorrectly reading evening as meaning specifically after sundown, but I can't respond unless you actually use words and make a case.

FWIW, consider the parallel passage in Luke. He's more specific as to the time:

Luke 23
50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

Per Mark 15:
42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

Evening again is not a specific word meaning after sundown. Evening includes the latter part of one Jewish day and the beginning part of the next. The context here - that haste is needed - indicates that it was the latter part of a day. This agrees with John.

Matthew 27 also references evening in v57. But, we can see that he meant that Jesus died on preparation day in v62:

62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[m] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

The Pharisees obviously wouldn't have allowed a whole day for the body to be taken, and only then asked for a guard.

Mark, being the shortest gospel, is less detailed than the others and somewhat ambiguous in the wording. That's all you've got.