Christianity is Dead, Long live the rEvolution!

[possibletarian]

I think numbers can be very deceiving in these cases, it depends on the questions asked.  in the U.K. for instance those who describe themselves of no religion now outnumber those who do

''The proportion of the population who identify in NatCen’s British Social Attitudes survey as having no religion, referred to as “nones”, reached 48.5% in 2014, outnumbering the 43.8% who define themselves as Christian – Anglicans, Catholics and other denominations. In 2011 the BSA survey found 46% identified as having no religion. The 2011 census gave a much lower figure of 25%, but phrased the question differently.

“The striking thing is the clear sense of the growth of ‘no religion’ as a proportion of the population,” said Stephen Bullivant, senior lecturer in theology and ethics at St Mary’s Catholic University in Twickenham, who analysed data collected through British Social Attitudes surveys over three decades.''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m...ales-study

However in the census of 2011 (as stated above) more people identified as a Christian.

This brings us to the question 'what is a Christian' a decade ago for instance i would have been firmly counted within the Christian ranks, I went to church several times a week and was a very active believer, of course I'm told now by people on this forum I was never a Christian at all !!

So what is a Christian, is it someone who believes there is a god ? Is it someone who acts on their faith, and does not leave the religion ? (not something you could really measure till people die) certainly there is a massive gap between those who identified as Christian in the census and those who are active in the practice of those beliefs.

There is what is called cultural Christianity, those who are born into Christian families, but do not observe the faith in any meaningful way, In places like Africa for instance it's often that the Christian faith is intermingled with voodoo and local witch doctors practically making the faith unrecognisable by most westerners.  Even more frightening in this trend is that they see little difference between the addition of a mythical Jesus and their current practises.  They are simply adding another god just to be safe.

[Bow Before Zeus]

Let me clarify he term "dead" I used in the title.

I did not say that belief in xtianity is dead. In fact, as many xtians here are very quick to point out, the religious hordes are actually increasing. Although, it should be noted that it's not happening everywhere, just in some of the most populous regions of the world. This makes for a great topic of discussion in itself so I will leave this for another thread.

What I meant by dead is that science has shown that the central premise on which xtianity is based is not valid. Jesus Christ is not the saviour of mankind. Therefore from 1859 onwards, xtianity changes from being a religion to a mythology. That fact that billions of hordes believe in the mythology is irrelevant. As a mythology, it is a dead religion.

Okay, so you didn't mean "dead", you meant invalidated. Same thing.

But you still need to answer my second point: https://atheistforums.org/post-1674319.html#pid1674319

Does science disprove the Adam and Eve myth? That's what the original post was about! Evolution quite clearly disproves an Adam and Eve. There was no such thing as a "first human". This is a scientific fact.

[LadyForCamus]

^^^ lmao, wuuut?

[RoadRunner79]

^^^ lmao, wuuut?

This one always makes me laugh!

[Godscreated]

First of all the Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago, that is an assumption of man.

The genealogies of Genesis record the line of descent from Adam through Noah to Abraham. From this genealogy, the age of the earth has been determined to be approximately 6,000 old. This is not an assumption of man but a close reading, study and calculation of the literal bible genealogy. Of course, you can reject the bible but as Henry Morris, a leading Young Earth Creationist, explained it, "Christians who flirt with less-than-literal readings of biblical texts are also flirting with theological disaster." and Christians must "either ... believe God's Word all the way, or not at all."

So which one are you? A xtian that believe's god's word all the way or not at all???

Of course I believe the entire Bible. What Morris didn't tell you is there are probably gaps in the genealogy and that we do not know how long Adam and Eve lived in the Garden before they sinned. I believe it's close to that 6000 year date but the Bible is not specific on that point.

Secondly you need to show your claimed proof that the theory of evolution has now been proven and that it has proven there was no Adam and Eve.

 

For goodness sakes, man, don't take my word for it! Why don't you take yourself to the Natural History Museum in London and examine the millions of pieces of evidence for evolution, many of them collected by the great man, Charles Darwin himself.

That man is not great, he was riding the story another started. All that stuff in museums doesn't prove a thing. Like I said prove your claim or keep quite.

Show me were science has proven there is no original sin, I've never seen that in any reliable scientific texts.

Right, we have already been through this, but I can repeat it for you. Evolution proves that there was no Adam and Eve. With no Adam and Even, there was no eating of the forbidden fruit. With no eating of the said forbidden fruit, there was no sin against god committed. With no sin against, god, no original sin, no need for a saviour. Ipso facto, your god disappears in a puff of smoke.

We haven't been through anything, you have only presented assumptions. Evolution hasn't been proven so how in the world do you expect it to disprove Adam and Eve. None of that has been disproved not in the slightest. One day you will see that the Christians were correct, then what?

Lastly you better fear the judgement because it's coming your way if you do not change, and it will be you who decides your eternal destination, it will be God who grants you your decision. 

GC

I have no fear. I laugh at your pathetic little threat. I look at you threatening me as I would look upon a voodoo witchdoctor shaking his death stick at me! Your threats are primitive therefore laughable.

  I didn't threaten you, I'm telling you what the Bible says. I have no power to judge you for your sin so I can't threaten you if I wanted to. I am warning you of what the future holds for those who are not forgiven. God says that the man who does not fear is a fool.

[Bow Before Zeus]

^^^ lmao, wuuut?

Are you saying that evolution states there is an Adam and an Eve? That there were a "first two humans"?

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For goodness sakes, man, don't take my word for it! Why don't you take yourself to the Natural History Museum in London and examine the millions of pieces of evidence for evolution, many of them collected by the great man, Charles Darwin himself.

That man is not great, he was riding the story another started. All that stuff in museums doesn't prove a thing. Like I said prove your claim or keep quite.

Read the history. He was a great man. The stuff in museums proves everything. It is what led Darwin to write his seminal work. Read that if you want to understand it. Or if it is too heavy to read, then read Richard Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth". That is an amazing description of the mechanisms of evolution. I cannot "prove" evolution to you in a few paragraphs. That ship has sailed my friend. It is accepted in the scientific community. Even the Catholic church accepts it. They have stopped fighting fact - it is a fruitless enterprise to do so in the face of insurmountable evidence.

Show me were science has proven there is no original sin, I've never seen that in any reliable scientific texts.

Right, we have already been through this, but I can repeat it for you. Evolution proves that there was no Adam and Eve. With no Adam and Even, there was no eating of the forbidden fruit. With no eating of the said forbidden fruit, there was no sin against god committed. With no sin against, god, no original sin, no need for a saviour. Ipso facto, your god disappears in a puff of smoke.

We haven't been through anything, you have only presented assumptions. Evolution hasn't been proven so how in the world do you expect it to disprove Adam and Eve. None of that has been disproved not in the slightest. One day you will see that the Christians were correct, then what?

Evolution is fact that is accepted by scientists and religious organisations. Only a few die-hard fundies still cling onto creationism. You need to stop reading the babble and start reading scientific papers if you are to understand evolution.

Lastly you better fear the judgement because it's coming your way if you do not change, and it will be you who decides your eternal destination, it will be God who grants you your decision. 

GC

I have no fear. I laugh at your pathetic little threat. I look at you threatening me as I would look upon a voodoo witchdoctor shaking his death stick at me! Your threats are primitive therefore laughable.

  I didn't threaten you, I'm telling you what the Bible says. I have no power to judge you for your sin so I can't threaten you if I wanted to. I am warning you of what the future holds for those who are not forgiven. God says that the man who does not fear is a fool.

Your warnings still smell of witch-doctor potion.

[Fake Messiah]

Evolution hasn't been proven

No evidence for evolution? So the fact that men have to be uncomfortable all day long because they have testicles outside that they can easily be castrated (unlike rhinos which have them inside) and women that shit from their vaginas after hard labor (Obstetric fistula) or people that have to wear glasses or our throat that is made in such a way that we choke easily when we eat (unlike in dolphins) or that we have pathway for making vitamin C, but it isn't finished so we die out of scurvy unlike cats that god seems to like more or poorly designed back that we all have and are frequently in pain because they aren't made very well are all result of a clumsy incompetent god - go figure.

^^^ lmao, wuuut?

Are you saying that evolution states there is an Adam and an Eve? That there were a "first two humans"?

Actually Lady was responding to a post that was deleted in the meantime by a member that also got banned. Too bad mods don't do their job thoroughly.

[Bow Before Zeus]

Are you saying that evolution states there is an Adam and an Eve? That there were a "first two humans"?

Actually Lady was responding to a post that was deleted in the meantime by a member that also got banned. Too bad mods don't do their job thoroughly.

Being across the other side of the world I always miss the party!

[Godscreated]

Evolution hasn't been proven

No evidence for evolution? So the fact that men have to be uncomfortable all day long because they have testicles outside that they can easily be castrated (unlike rhinos which have them inside) and women that shit from their vaginas after hard labor (Obstetric fistula) or people that have to wear glasses or our throat that is made in such a way that we choke easily when we eat (unlike in dolphins) or that we have pathway for making vitamin C, but it isn't finished so we die out of scurvy unlike cats that god seems to like more or poorly designed back that we all have and are frequently in pain because they aren't made very well are all result of a clumsy incompetent god - go figure.

  For you evolution's screwed up everything. For me it's the sin of Adam and Eve. It's not easy to choke, if it were thousands would choke to death every day. The throat is well designed, if it wasn't we couldn't cough up stuff from our lungs. If your nose becomes stopped up from a cold so bad you can't breath through it then you have your mouth to breath with. You couldn't taste very well if you could not pass air though your mouth. Dolphins do not chew they swallow their food whole, they do not taste much and they live entirely in the water and need a different system for breathing. You should read and learn a bit before condemning the design of things, repeating what you see/hear only makes you look dumb when it's wrong.
GC

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That man is not great, he was riding the story another started. All that stuff in museums doesn't prove a thing. Like I said prove your claim or keep quite.

Read the history. He was a great man. The stuff in museums proves everything. It is what led Darwin to write his seminal work. Read that if you want to understand it. Or if it is too heavy to read, then read Richard Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth". That is an amazing description of the mechanisms of evolution. I cannot "prove" evolution to you in a few paragraphs. That ship has sailed my friend. It is accepted in the scientific community. Even the Catholic church accepts it. They have stopped fighting fact - it is a fruitless enterprise to do so in the face of insurmountable evidence.

I've read it and there is only assumption to start with and assumption to end with, you've been sold a bill of goods that is worthless unless you can show that new information can be added to DNA through natural processes. Until that happens the rest is just.... nothing. The Catholic Church has compromised on other things, this one is just another one they are wrong on, the Pope and his Bishops and Cardinals are not scientist they are just trying to appease the nonbelievers. Evidence does not equal proof, evidence can be made to fit whatever someone desires when they deceive the people.

We haven't been through anything, you have only presented assumptions. Evolution hasn't been proven so how in the world do you expect it to disprove Adam and Eve. None of that has been disproved not in the slightest. One day you will see that the Christians were correct, then what?

Evolution is fact that is accepted by scientists and religious organisations. Only a few die-hard fundies still cling onto creationism. You need to stop reading the babble and start reading scientific papers if you are to understand evolution.

Evolution can't be fact because it hasn't been proven to be true and you certainly can't or you would have already done so. I've studied with professors and scientist and they have shown all the weaknesses and down falls evolution has, your blind bias keeps you believing the lies you're being feed.

  I didn't threaten you, I'm telling you what the Bible says. I have no power to judge you for your sin so I can't threaten you if I wanted to. I am warning you of what the future holds for those who are not forgiven. God says that the man who does not fear is a fool.

Your warnings still smell of witch-doctor potion.

  You are sniffing at the wrong end of things.

GC

[Fake Messiah]

It's not easy to choke, if it were thousands would choke to death every day.

Each year, more than 17,000 infants and children are treated in hospital emergency departments for choking-related incidents. Choking is a major cause of death for children under three and is a hazard for older children as well. So you're wrong again.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/medicine/dis...gy/choking

The throat is well designed

Wait but you said "For you evolution's screwed up everything. For me it's the sin of Adam and Eve" so you contradict yourself as any crazy person. Also Adam and Eve didn't screw up cats who can produce their own vitamin C.

You couldn't taste very well if you could not pass air though your mouth.

again, you admit that your god is incompetent.

Dolphins do not chew they swallow their food whole

And can't choke on its food by inhaling it.

You should read and learn a bit before condemning the design of things, repeating what you see/hear only makes you look dumb when it's wrong.

Fascinating how you tell me exact things that you need to do.