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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 11:44 am
Still waiting for some testable, falsifiable proof for this god thing
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 11:55 am
I guess you're right. It is a bit disrespectful to only show up once in a while and then take off. Sorry.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 12:00 pm
Seems like the christian thing to do, to me.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 6:49 pm
(July 25, 2022 at 12:53 am)Lek Wrote: Why should I stop believing In God because science explains things about our world? Is not being able to explain things the reason all theists believe in God? You say "See we proved it's thunder, not evil spirits" and so I'm supposed to stop believing in God?
Because science explains so much about the universe it leaves very little room for a generic god to be necessary and it is one of the many reasons why the abrahamic god is an impossibility (the bible has a few more if you would care to read it).
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 7:51 pm
(July 25, 2022 at 12:53 am)Lek Wrote: Why should I stop believing In God because science explains things about our world? Is not being able to explain things the reason all theists believe in God? You say "See we proved it's thunder, not evil spirits" and so I'm supposed to stop believing in God?
If one believes that a god is the cause of what happens in the universe, then it is a very good reason to stop believing.
If belief is based on feelings, or faith or personal religious experience, then no reasoning is necessary. What isn't gained by reason can't be lost by reason.
Most believers set up their god to never be testable. They either expect nothing concrete from their god, or they accept poor anecdotes as evidence of God's occasional miracles. The problem is that the bible claims that god not only did things in the past, but will actively do things when believers ask. Such a god is easily disproved.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 9:16 pm
(July 24, 2022 at 10:30 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Another bozo the clown reply from a person who has yet to get around the science I gave on creation.
You mean that jumble of non-evidence you splattered in a comment. Yeah sorry must have missed where you provided any science of creation
Quote:Now, have the integrity to admit you never got around creation. I won't be holding my breath.
I don't need to get around something there is no evidence for
Quote:We KNOW what life takes. Your silly excuse for discounting the fine tuning is a joke. Can you give this other way life could have consisted of with evidence and that it would have come to life on its own given the right conditions? Well, NO! You can't. You'd have NO science to back it up. You can't even get around what we know about THIS life and how it even got started on its own. So all you do is provide more humor that you have no idea what you're talking about.
We know what we need for life like ourselves. We have no evidence or any reason to think that's the only way it could be. Sorry, this isn't evidence of creation I'm afraid. Nor have i claimed life started on its own. I don't need to make that claim to reject god magic as an explanation. So no it's in fact you who has provided the humor in this exchange. Quote:Another bozo the clown reply from a person who has yet to get around the science I gave on creation.
"You mean that jumble of non-evidence you splattered in a comment. Yeah sorry must have missed where you provided any science of creation"
Here, I'll give it for the umpteenth time. You can ignore it again as always because it contains BASIC science you don't know. It's too over your tiny brain.
--- Evidence points to nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. It must be observable, repeatable, and falsifiable. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This (the 1LT and 2LT) all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the doubters resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We know these laws and have NO doubts about them.----
Quote:Now, have the integrity to admit you never got around creation. I won't be holding my breath.
'I don't need to get around something there is no evidence for "
You clearly don't have to do a thing. You don't have to be honest and you don't have to think. You've shown that well.
Quote:We KNOW what life takes. Your silly excuse for discounting the fine tuning is a joke. Can you give this other way life could have consisted of with evidence and that it would have come to life on its own given the right conditions? Well, NO! You can't. You'd have NO science to back it up. You can't even get around what we know about THIS life and how it even got started on its own. So all you do is provide more humor that you have no idea what you're talking about.
"We know what we need for life like ourselves. We have no evidence or any reason to think that's the only way it could be. Sorry, this isn't evidence of creation I'm afraid. Nor have i claimed life started on its own. I don't need to make that claim to reject god magic as an explanation. So no it's in fact you who has provided the humor in this exchange."
Again....
Can you give this other way life could have consisted of with evidence and that it would have come to life on its own given the right conditions?
And this is it with evidence....
"We have no evidence or any reason to think that's the only way it could be."
You are either insane or just plain slow-minded. This IS the life we know. But for more chuckles, this is somehow evidence to you....
"We have no evidence or any reason to think that's the only way it could be."
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 9:20 pm
(July 24, 2022 at 11:00 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Me....So explain why a supernatural creator is also bound by the laws the supernatural creator created.
This was your answer....
"Too bad we don't have to do any of the above your the one making a positive claim you have yet to prove it as for the rest of the stuff this isn't science it's theology"
That's right, you don't have to do shit. You can be stupid and make up anything you want and you don't have to do a thing to back it up. You can ask that stupid question and when you're called on it to explainwhy a supernatural creator is also bound by the laws the supernatural creator created, you just stick your head in the sand as if you don't have to do a thing. You are providing joy to me though showing what jokes you all are.
Lol so far buddy you the only joke here
And your right he doesn't have to prove that because last i checked your only one here who thinks the supernatural exists
"And your right he doesn't have to prove that because last i checked your only one here who thinks the supernatural exists "
I'm the only one giving evidence that is actual science. You jokes give "we don't know" science. Not just that, you jokes think your "we don't know" science upstages God. How do you know that, you don't know.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 9:21 pm
(July 25, 2022 at 12:41 am)Helios Wrote: So I'm putting this numpty on ignores as I have said my piece and am done with him really. He will likely rant and rave about his nonsense but frankly, I don't care. I encourage the rest of you to do the same. There is no gold at the end of that rainbow my friends just feeding the ego of an utter dunce
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 9:27 pm
(July 25, 2022 at 12:53 am)Lek Wrote: Why should I stop believing In God because science explains things about our world? Is not being able to explain things the reason all theists believe in God? You say "See we proved it's thunder, not evil spirits" and so I'm supposed to stop believing in God?
"Why should I stop believing In God because science explains things about our world?"
Really?! I thought it explained Santa Claus. Who would have guessed.
"Is not being able to explain things the reason all theists believe in God?"
I don't know what beach your head has been buried in but just starting with the start, creation, no one has been able to get around the BASIC science we know. Since you all can't, you throw in "we don't know."
"You say "See we proved it's thunder, not evil spirits" and so I'm supposed to stop believing in God?"
Wow, can you copy and paste where I said that? Of course you can't, you attempted to appear smart as you totally ignored the science I did give.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 25, 2022 at 9:35 pm
(July 25, 2022 at 1:45 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (July 25, 2022 at 12:53 am)Lek Wrote: Why should I stop believing In God because science explains things about our world? Is not being able to explain things the reason all theists believe in God? You say "See we proved it's thunder, not evil spirits" and so I'm supposed to stop believing in God?
I'd love to go through those points but you are all still stuck on creation. If you all admit it had to be supernatural rather than running from reality, we can move on.
But for fun and since you jokes are so easy to crush, look at your first one...
Biology disproves Adam and Eve.
Here's a fun topic for you evo-nuts. We have human sexual reproduction (HSR). We know a whole lot about it. Many of us experimented with it. Since you believe in goo-to-you evolution, give a logical explanation with proof of how HSR came about. Here's an example: We had this asexual something that got here by a natural creation that's impossible, the universe formed by some other impossible feat, it gave life by some other impossible feat and somehow gave another impossible feat of an asexual something that eventually mutated a bump, another asexual something eventually mutating a hole, this went on and on of umpteen years, and by mere chance somehow mated from the sexual organs that somehow formed by mere chance not even knowing they were needed so that.........it eventually led to HSR. Sure it's going to be a LONG story and I can't imagine how it could be possible but since you evo-nuts believe it, you better have a good explanation. I don't want theories that answer nothing, I want a logical story with proof to back it up. Since you claim it all came about naturally, then give your natural explanation.
Now, don't forget, I don't want your stooooo-pid theories that don't answer a thing, I want evidence and details since you jokes think biology disproves Adam and Eve. Oh, screw you too, throw in how we got life on its own also. You want to talk tough then show me something you have given this some thought.
You can't though, you're just stooges. You don't care about science, being honest, or even thinking; your just out to pretend you have integrity.
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