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I'm sick and tired of Christianity
#11
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
Godscreated and Neo-Scholastic , Die Atheistin doesn't need an introduction into how Christianity works , trust me , 99.999% he is surrounded by Christia ns.
OP , I think this situation will be very good for you , in a way that you will be used to people having oposite views , I had to join this forum so that I could get that experience.
About reality , I have thinked about it a lot. It really doesn't help to get people out of their comfort , after all , life is allready painfull, no need to bring more pain. This is a slow proces that everyone needs to do by himself, doing it for them won't make a difference they'll just find another "shepard".
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#12
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: Everytime someone tells  me how great Christianity is or how I should practise it I wanna scream: "SHUT THE FUCK UP!  :banghead:  I don't know if there's any God and I don't see any evidence or clue for it, so I don't believe, which makes me an agnostic atheist. In fact I've seen evidence against the christian God. And if you imagine that a God exists for comfort, then you're not a real christian. A christian is a theist and a theist is someone who believes, not imagines a God. Even if you could've been considered christian, you're still a pussy. The truth is you're sheep, you do what you've been raised to do and what the other sheep do without asking questions. Religion makes you happy because it makes all around you happy. You're also scared of reality, the world can be a very cold place and you feel comfort in ignoring it. You say that Christianity is so moral. How about a little challenge? I challenge you to make a list of rules from the Bible that you follow and one with the ones you don't follow. I assure you that the second list will be big if not bigger than the other even if you're a fundamentalist. Atheism doesn't require any moral rules, so I don't have a code that I don't follow. I use logic and empathy to determine my moral code as many other atheists do, heck as you probably do. Stop telling me how to live my life to make yourself feel better. You might try to make me feel better too, but you're failing miserably."

That was a relief!  :)

To be fair, this is the same argument you get from every religion worldwide.

Prime example are Sunni's and Shiites whom don't agree on the interpretation of the Koran. But you also wont get a Tibet Buddhist to agree with the politics of a Chinese Buddhist. And certainly a Japanese Shinto Buddhist wont agree with the politics of a Chinese Buddhist.

Hindus and Jews do not escape this umbrella label fracture either. Not even atheists. 

While "atheist" is not a religion, we most certainly DO NOT agree on all issues all the time. I am a social and economic liberal but DO NOT agree with other atheists who think Che, who lead to Castro's Cuba, was a hero. I also do NOT agree with other libertarian atheists, whom are great on social issues, but take the GOP bullshit stance that billionaires will end up on cat food if you tax them more. Ayn Rand was an atheist I would despise, whom probably today would have been pro Trump.  I also DONT see a day when 100% of our population will not want firearms, I do hate the fact that even some atheists think we can simply sell more and do nothing.

Point is, our labels as a species DO NOT constitute automatic good or bad behavior. I see GOOD even within theists. I also have run into atheists I do not like. The only difference between an atheist and a theist, isn't that our labels are magic pills, no label is. The only difference between the atheist and theist is that an atheist does not assign our behaviors to a divine/God/super natural world.

You are reacting to what you are used to and familiar with. Over my 16 years of online activism, I have run into former Muslims rejecting their former faith, but even Hindus and Jews and Buddhists. Penn, the illusionist, wrote a book called "God No" in which he accounts a fan, a former Jew, whom he went out to dinner after a show and the guy ate a bacon cheeseburger. 

You cannot leave your skin color, nor do you get to pick your parents. But you can think for yourself and decide what was sold to you was not what you thought.
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#13
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 7:08 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Yeah, I'm a pussy. I'm not afraid to admit that I am often weak...

"Jesus loves me this I know
For the bible tells me so
little ones to Him belong;
They are weak
but He is strong.

Taking a fall back brain washing position. Nice!

He's got the whole world.............

He's got the itty bitty baby.............
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#14
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
I've always been puzzled by the shepherd/sheep christian analogy. Yes, the shepherd protects the sheep and finds fresh pastures for them, but that is because he wishes either to kill and eat them himself, or sell them to someone else who will do the same. His motives are far from benevolent (from the sheep's point of view).
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon

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#15
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 7:41 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(December 26, 2017 at 7:08 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Yeah, I'm a pussy. I'm not afraid to admit that I am often weak...

"Jesus loves me this I know
For the bible tells me so
little ones to Him belong;
They are weak
but He is strong.

Taking a fall back brain washing position. Nice!

He's got the whole world.............

He's got the itty bitty baby.............

No shit, when I was a kid, I turned to my gigantic Winnie The Pool stuffed bear to protect me. Looking back at it now, I know that was merely a placebo my parents gave me, but religion gets a pass because it is older.
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#16
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 8:56 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: I've always been puzzled by the shepherd/sheep christian analogy. Yes, the shepherd protects the sheep and finds fresh pastures for them, but that is because he wishes either to kill and eat them himself, or sell them to someone else who will do the same. His motives are far from benevolent (from the sheep's point of view).

You left out castration.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#17
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 9:36 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(December 26, 2017 at 8:56 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: I've always been puzzled by the shepherd/sheep christian analogy. Yes, the shepherd protects the sheep and finds fresh pastures for them, but that is because he wishes either to kill and eat them himself, or sell them to someone else who will do the same. His motives are far from benevolent (from the sheep's point of view).

You left out castration.

Also to take their children away and eat them.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon

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#18
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:
(December 26, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Christians are sheep but not in a way you see them. We do and are allowed to question it the way we grow. We follow God as the shepherd He is, he leads us in ways that are good for us (greener pastures), we receive greater knowledge of Him and our spiritual life (cool and peaceful waters). God leads us through the trials and tribulations of life (stormy seas) because we face the hard things in life and want His help. You think we're pussies, we will die for what we believe, would you die for your atheist life. Christianity is moral the people who are Christians are not always moral, we sin, this is why we have accepted Jesus as our savior, to lead us into His righteousness so that we can be counted as good before the Father. That list things is how the Jews lived under the law, we are not bound by counting our mistakes we are required to grow into the best we can be, flaws and all.
  As far as trying to get you to be a Christian or live by what we believe, that's on you, all we can do is give you examples by the way we live. Of coarse you will pick the worst Christians to make an argument on this point and that's okay because the Christians here know the influences of the life good Christians live. If you do not like the way we live then so be it but just keep it to yourself.

GC

I said that the christians who practise religion out of comfort and not actual belief are pussies, because they're afraid of reality. If you really believe in a God you're not a pussy, you're something entirely else.
A question: how do you know that your religion is the right one?

  Simple, there has been only one God to reach out to me.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#19
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 9:36 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(December 26, 2017 at 8:56 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: I've always been puzzled by the shepherd/sheep christian analogy. Yes, the shepherd protects the sheep and finds fresh pastures for them, but that is because he wishes either to kill and eat them himself, or sell them to someone else who will do the same. His motives are far from benevolent (from the sheep's point of view).

You left out castration.

He also left out fucking the sheep.
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#20
RE: I'm sick and tired of Christianity
(December 26, 2017 at 11:29 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 26, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: I said that the christians who practise religion out of comfort and not actual belief are pussies, because they're afraid of reality. If you really believe in a God you're not a pussy, you're something entirely else.
A question: how do you know that your religion is the right one?

  Simple, there has been only one God to reach out to me.

GC

How pleasurable was his reach? His hand must have had quite the grip.
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