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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 11:29 pm
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(December 30, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 11:05 pm)possibletarian Wrote: All it says is that it shows evidence of 'some' type of government activity was conducted in that period, not evidence of David and Solomon, she would have known this, as you rightly pointed out the find happened before the video, she would be well aware of it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
They don't directly reference David or Solomon, but do provide evidence of government activity during that period
It's amazing what extra's theist read into discoveries.
From your own link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
Quote:
- Experts say they offer evidence of biblical kings David and Solomon
I refer back to your earlier quote:
(December 30, 2017 at 10:22 pm)possibletarian Wrote: who are we to listen to..? people who believe these myths, or someone who has actually studied and travelled extensively and has a credited qualification.
It's not 'thiests' that are making the connection to David and Solomon, it's the experts, whom by your own admission you believe without question.
And the same article also says
However, many experts dismiss the rulers as mythological figures and claim no kingdom ever existed
and the article does go on to make much more modest claims denying any reference to David or Solomon directly these are evidence of governance, (and that in a tiny place) nothing else.
That is likely why being an leading, respected and well know figure in biblical archaeology she dismissed these rather fanciful claims.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 11:44 pm
(December 30, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 11:05 pm)possibletarian Wrote: All it says is that it shows evidence of 'some' type of government activity was conducted in that period, not evidence of David and Solomon, she would have known this, as you rightly pointed out the find happened before the video, she would be well aware of it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
They don't directly reference David or Solomon, but do provide evidence of government activity during that period
It's amazing what extra's theist read into discoveries.
From your own link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
Quote:
- Experts say they offer evidence of biblical kings David and Solomon
I refer back to your earlier quote:
(December 30, 2017 at 10:22 pm)possibletarian Wrote: who are we to listen to..? people who believe these myths, or someone who has actually studied and travelled extensively and has a credited qualification.
It's not 'thiests' that are making the connection to David and Solomon, it's the experts, whom by your own admission you believe without question.
Some experts, Huggy. Others are unimpressed.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.632873
Quote:The artifacts are important, said Israel Finkelstein, an archaeology professor at Tel Aviv University. They "probably hint at" a city-state other than that of Gath on the southern coastal plain during the period, he wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Gath was a major Philistine city-state when it was destroyed in the 9th century, according to archaeologists. According to the Bible, it was the home town of Goliath, the giant whom young David laid flat with stone and sling.
But Finkelstein, co-author of a book arguing that "tenth-century Jerusalem was a small highland village that controlled a sparsely settled hinterland" rather than the great kingdom the Bible describes David and his son Solomon as ruling, was unconvinced by Hardin's broader conclusion. It's too far from Jerusalem — about 70 miles — to make connections, he said, and radiocarbon dating for the part of the Iron Age described could be anywhere from mid-10th century to 800 B.C.
"There is no reason to start rewriting history books that come from modern critical research," wrote Finkelstein, who wrote "David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition" with journalist and archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman.
BTW, on a hunch I went back and checked the date on your article. Dec. 16, 2014
There is a pattern of November/December headlines designed to make xhristards feel all hot and wet around the holidays. It's good for tourism. It's good for selling newspapers.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 11:51 pm
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(December 30, 2017 at 11:29 pm)possibletarian Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: From your own link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
I refer back to your earlier quote:
It's not 'thiests' that are making the connection to David and Solomon, it's the experts, whom by your own admission you believe without question.
And the same article also says
However, many experts dismiss the rulers as mythological figures and claim no kingdom ever existed
and the article does go on to make much more modest claims denying any reference to David or Solomon directly these are evidence of governance, (and that in a tiny place) nothing else.
That is likely why being an leading, respected and well know figure in biblical archaeology she dismissed these rather fanciful claims. *emphasis mine*
That was the case previous to the discovery. Clearly they were wrong about no kingdom ever existing in that region.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...100433.htm
Quote:Six official clay seals found by an archaeological team at a small site in Israel offer evidence that supports the existence of biblical kings David and Solomon. Many modern scholars dismiss David and Solomon as mythological figures and believe no kingdom could have existed in the region at the time the Bible recounted their activities. The new finds provide evidence that some type of government activity was conducted there in that period.
(December 30, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: From your own link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
I refer back to your earlier quote:
It's not 'thiests' that are making the connection to David and Solomon, it's the experts, whom by your own admission you believe without question.
Some experts, Huggy. Others are unimpressed.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.632873
Quote:The artifacts are important, said Israel Finkelstein, an archaeology professor at Tel Aviv University. They "probably hint at" a city-state other than that of Gath on the southern coastal plain during the period, he wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Gath was a major Philistine city-state when it was destroyed in the 9th century, according to archaeologists. According to the Bible, it was the home town of Goliath, the giant whom young David laid flat with stone and sling.
But Finkelstein, co-author of a book arguing that "tenth-century Jerusalem was a small highland village that controlled a sparsely settled hinterland" rather than the great kingdom the Bible describes David and his son Solomon as ruling, was unconvinced by Hardin's broader conclusion. It's too far from Jerusalem — about 70 miles — to make connections, he said, and radiocarbon dating for the part of the Iron Age described could be anywhere from mid-10th century to 800 B.C.
"There is no reason to start rewriting history books that come from modern critical research," wrote Finkelstein, who wrote "David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition" with journalist and archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman.
BTW, on a hunch I went back and checked the date on your article. Dec. 16, 2014
There is a pattern of November/December headlines designed to make xhristards feel all hot and wet around the holidays. It's good for tourism. It's good for selling newspapers.
Finkelstein sounds like a hater...
I notice how all of the sudden carbon dating is inaccurate when it doesn't fit the narrative.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 31, 2017 at 12:06 am
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(December 30, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: [quote='possibletarian' pid='1679267' dateline='1514690954']
And the same article also says
However, many experts dismiss the rulers as mythological figures and claim no kingdom ever existed
and the article does go on to make much more modest claims denying any reference to David or Solomon directly these are evidence of governance, (and that in a tiny place) nothing else.
That is likely why being an leading, respected and well know figure in biblical archaeology she dismissed these rather fanciful claims. *emphasis mine*
That was the case previous to the discovery. Clearly they were wrong about no kingdom ever existing in that region.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...100433.htm
Quote:Six official clay seals found by an archaeological team at a small site in Israel offer evidence that supports the existence of biblical kings David and Solomon. Many modern scholars dismiss David and Solomon as mythological figures and believe no kingdom could have existed in the region at the time the Bible recounted their activities. The new finds provide evidence that some type of government activity was conducted there in that period.
This is exactly what I mean you are turning 'some kind of government activity' into a kingdom. as the article Min posted to you, but you dismissed as 'hateful' it could mean anything. David and Solomon definitely are not mentioned in the evidence.
And of course many experts to this day as you can see are unimpressed.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 31, 2017 at 5:30 am
King David had the morals of a cockroach and is a despicable character.
What is the purpose of such a character in the fairy tale? When he was young he showed a lot of promise. By the time he was ready to croak he had degenerated into a pile of stinky garbage with no redeeming qualities. His purpose in the fairy tale seems to be to show that you can become corrupted with fame and fortune and lose your salvation. He's an example of what not to do.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 31, 2017 at 8:53 am
And also talking about characters in the Bible that are abandoned and considered just a myth, don't forget about these
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 31, 2017 at 9:16 am
(December 31, 2017 at 8:53 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: And also talking about characters in the Bible that are abandoned and considered just a myth, don't forget about these
Oh! Me, me, ask me! I know, miss, ask me!
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The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 31, 2017 at 11:25 pm
(December 30, 2017 at 2:04 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (December 29, 2017 at 3:51 am)Godscreated Wrote: I wouldn't hold to much stock in a youtube vid. The city of Gath has been found and a piece of pottery with the name Goliath on it. Could be she is wrong, very wrong, I know she is.
GC
And your credentials are...
Mellisa, I wouldn't put much stock in what GC says. He is trying to refute a Phd (who actually can read and understand ancient Hebrew) with what he wants to be true, not what the evidence points to.
Much study of the Bible and history, it doesn't matter if she puts stock in what I say, it matters what God is doing in her life.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
January 1, 2018 at 12:49 am
(December 31, 2017 at 11:25 pm)Godscreated Wrote: ...
it matters what God is doing in her life.
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Man, that sounds so weird!
Mother-in-law-gods or stalker-gods? Either way, I hear the rebuttal, "Will you please just get outta my life!?!?!"
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
January 1, 2018 at 12:57 am
(December 30, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: From your own link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ry-BC.html
I refer back to your earlier quote:
It's not 'thiests' that are making the connection to David and Solomon, it's the experts, whom by your own admission you believe without question.
Hey don't get fooled by sensational journalism, if you read the article you can see there is no inscription that it was by David or even by Jews. Not just that but you can go to Jerusalem and travel guides will point you to pile of rocks and claim that it was put there by king David.
It can all be seen in Francesca Stavrakopoulou's documentary about absence of evidence for David. In it you can see how eager Jews are to find evidence and basically every rock they uncover they first proclaim that it must have been put there by king David. Also when you come to Jerusalem today guides will tell you how this pile of rock and that pile was put by king David although it's not. So you can see how finding evidence for David is fueled not just by money that tourism brings in but also politics.
Thanks for the link to Francesca Stavrakopoulou. She's great! History isn't one of my subjects. It's nice to find someone who explains it so well.
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