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God is a terrible explanation for anything.
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God is a terrible explanation for anything.
This is an argument that God is a terrible explanation for any phenomenon, and any reference to God in explanatory form is no more substantial than saying "poof magic" or "the cosmic wizard did it".

This argument stems from the concept of the explanatory virtues, the things that tend to be present in a good explanation. I would argue that God fails almost all categories of explanatory virtue.

The explanatory virtues:

1. Testability: A good explanation has falsifiability or explanatory power sufficient to render predictions.

The God hypothesis clearly fails the first virtue, the hypothesis is neither falsifiable nor able to make predictions about the universe more substantial than those of the 'Nostradamus' type predictions.

2. Comprehensiveness: The explanation explains more types of phenomenon.

It could be argued (and will be by some) that God is a comprehensive explanation, that it can explain endless phenomenon, yet this is because of it's ability to be infinitely ad-hoced, there has never been a substantial and logically consistent concept of God that can explain the occurrence of contrary phenomenon, such as Rowe's E1 and E2 of needless suffering without greater good, such as a fawn trapped in a forest fire, in such instances a theodicy (which is ad hoc) is required to reconcile the difference.

3. Precision: Can give precise and accurate descriptions about the mechanics of phenomenon.

The God hypothesis is saved only by it's incomparable vagueness and it's ability to give precision in explanation of phenomenon is non-existent. This is evidenced by the arguments for the existence of God being almost always arguments from incredulity. The creationist/ID arguments for example attempt not to precisely explain a phenomenon in terms of god, but rather resort to poking holes in evolutionary theory.

4. Simplicity: The best explanations make use of the least number of claims, especially unsupported claims.

The God hypothesis cannot exist without numerous unfounded assumptions. That a mind can be immaterial, that a persona can exist without body, that will is acausal etc. There are many such unfounded assumptions upon which the underline concept is contingent, ruling out it's ability to be truly simple.

5. Consistency wit Background knowledge: A good explanation is consistent with all known phenomenon.

Just like 4. the God hypothesis fails, the immaterial mind, infinite being and acasual will are all things that are completely inconsistent with our background knowledge.

6. Coherency: The explanation can be formulated in a precise way.

The God hypothesis fails this completely, evinced by the absolute lack of agreement on what the concept is by many different belief systems.


These are all reasons why the God hypothesis is a shit explanation for anything. There is no more advantage in saying "God did it" than saying "the cosmic wizard did it" or "poof magic". We are undoubtedly better off with naturalistic explanations wherever they satisfy the virtues, and more intellectually honest saying "we don't know" when the virtues cannot be satisfied.
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#2
RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
I completely agree with all of that. I also find zero challenge to my belief in the Christian God.
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#3
RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
As expected, you aren't concerned with epistemic justification Smile

Shame I can't make people care about that.
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#4
RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
Quote:I also find zero challenge to my belief in the Christian God.


Look a little harder.
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RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
(November 7, 2010 at 8:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I also find zero challenge to my belief in the Christian God.


Look a little harder.

You'd have to convince him his warm fuzzy feelings of the spirit are actually in his head.

Good luck with that.
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#6
RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
My grand nephew feels that way about Santa.

I think he will learn, though.
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#7
RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
Again with the childish accusations of fuzzy feeling VOID. Really - I'm passed patience with your imbecilic tantrums.

Empty statements are just that Min. Come up with something solid and we can start talking. Until then carry on pissing in the wind, as you do Wink
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I'll see if I can get the kid online to discuss jesus v santa with you. He may have gone to bed already though.
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RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
(November 7, 2010 at 8:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Again with the childish accusations of fuzzy feeling VOID. Really - I'm passed patience with your imbecilic tantrums.

Empty statements are just that Min. Come up with something solid and we can start talking. Until then carry on pissing in the wind, as you do Wink

If you're so miffed with my plainly unflattering joke, which is what it was, perhaps it would do you some good to finally articulate your concepts beyond drive-by rebuttals to posts with only loose context. I also fail to see how 'tantrum' fits in, but for the sake of progress let's pretend it wasn't a ploy to get in the way of actual discussion.

I don't think anyone here has a clear picture of your theology fr0d0 - That's your fault, not ours. All the stuff you used to espouse seems quite irrelevant in light of your recent move to "it's not logical/justified and I don't care".

I've suggested before that you start a thread and give us a proper explanation of specifically what you believe and why, might be a good idea.
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RE: God is a terrible explanation for anything.
(November 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm)theVOID Wrote:
(November 7, 2010 at 8:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Again with the childish accusations of fuzzy feeling VOID. Really - I'm passed patience with your imbecilic tantrums.

Empty statements are just that Min. Come up with something solid and we can start talking. Until then carry on pissing in the wind, as you do Wink

If you're so miffed with my plainly unflattering joke, which is what it was, perhaps it would do you some good to finally articulate your concepts beyond drive-by rebuttals to posts with only loose context. I also fail to see how 'tantrum' fits in, but for the sake of progress let's pretend it wasn't a ploy to get in the way of actual discussion.

I don't think anyone here has a clear picture of your theology fr0d0 - That's your fault, not ours. All the stuff you used to espouse seems quite irrelevant in light of your recent move to "it's not logical/justified and I don't care".

I've suggested before that you start a thread and give us a proper explanation of specifically what you believe and why, might be a good idea.
Yes I agree it's frustrating I really have no idea of frods beliefs. It's like trying to debate an all knowing, ever present, immaterial being. Hey you don't think....Worship (large)
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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