Admitting You're a Sinner

[Succubus]

Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The

[Banned]

Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The

Admitting that one is a sinner includes an understanding that once a person has sinned they cannot help what they think, say and do.
So whatever comes out of the sinners mind is carnal.

The real gospel (many are unreal) actually saves people from this dilemma, and allows them to overcome their inherited and cultivated tendencies, by obedient faith in Christ.

[Succubus]

Lucid Nonsense.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's interesting, because none of the people claiming "the real gospel" seem to manage overcoming their "carnal tendencies". It's pretty much a joke at this point, because the more fervently some holyman tells us about their being in possession of "the real gospel" the greater the likelihood that there is a naked man under the podium fellating them as they claim it.

[LadyForCamus]

Because you believe that it is true, and I’d like to know what your reasons are.  I mean...you are a Christian, here, on an atheist forum.  I think it’s a pretty reasonable question, don’t you?

That's a fair request.

I can't remember the exact sequence of events in my life, but at age 4 I was introduced to whom I understood was God, through nature, without the influence of people or church. I was born into a situation of considerable suffering, to say the least, and this experience would prove to be my sanity and assurance throughout life. It was as if I came out of the dark into the light, from fear, pain and confusion to color, love and protection.
I began to read the Bible around that age, by my own choice and interest. So I don't really know what it is like to be seeking evidence, seeing that the natural world was clearly an example of power, integrity and intelligence.

The evidence for the Bible is what God is to me personally. The kindness and passionate interest in my spiritual welfare, temporal needs and future.

So, you started with a belief in god first, and then when you discovered the Bible, you felt that it fit nicely with the belief you already had.  Do you think if you had found a Koran, you would have become a Muslim instead?  If your reason for believing the Bible is true is because first you believed in god, and then you read a book that affirmed your beliefs, isn’t that simply confirmation bias?  Couldn’t I say that I always believed in Wizards, and then I discovered Harry Potter, therefore Harry Potter is true?  Would that be a rational reason for me to believe in the Harry Potter story?  What reason is there for someone like me, who’s never had a personal revelation the way you did, to believe a word of the Bible?

[Banned]

So, you started with a belief in god first, and then when you discovered the Bible, you felt that it fit nicely with the belief you already had.  Do you think if you had found a Koran, you would have become a Muslim instead?  If your reason for believing the Bible is true is because first you believed in god, and then you read a book that affirmed your beliefs, isn’t that simply confirmation bias?  Couldn’t I say that I always believed in Wizards, and then I discovered Harry Potter, therefore Harry Potter is true?  Would that be a rational reason for me to believe in the Harry Potter story?  What reason is there for someone like me, who’s never had a personal revelation the way you did, to believe a word of the Bible?

The Bible states that everyone is given a measure of faith in the first place. It is the means by which people are able to recognize love and then make the choice whether to follow its promptings or to betray it.
To betray what you know is innocent and loving is sin.

That is why parenthood is one of the most important values to the government of heaven.

Pure love has very succinct boundaries, it is not open to philosophical reasoning and debate, and every human being has the capacity to figure it out.

[Cyberman]

I did not call anyone a fool, I just quoted the scripture which says that someone who denies God is a fool, and then I was told that other scripture condemns calling someone a fool, which is not what I did.

Oh, well in that case I have a friend who thinks you're a dipshit. It's not me calling you a dipshit, you understand, I'm only telling you what my friend thinks.

Now are you going to stand by the words you choose to present or disavow them... or shall we stop these ridiculous baby games altogether and start talking like grownups?

[Whateverist]

I did not call anyone a fool, I just quoted the scripture which says that someone who denies God is a fool, and then I was told that other scripture condemns calling someone a fool, which is not what I did.

Oh, well in that case I have a friend who thinks you're a dipshit. It's not me calling you a dipshit, you understand, I'm only telling you what my friend thinks.

Now are you going to stand by the words you choose to present or disavow them... or shall we stop these ridiculous baby games altogether and start talking like grownups?

Told me the same thing.  He definitely thinks Banned is a dipshit alright, MK too.

[Cyberman]

You know him as well, then?

[Whateverist]

Oh sure. Talks shit about everybody all the time.