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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:02 pm
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(January 19, 2018 at 2:59 pm)wallym Wrote: I don't know exactly what his reaction towards blood is,
That depends. Is it nordic blood or mexican blood we're talking about here? He appears to think that mexican blood makes a sitting judge unfit to preside over his case, while nordic blood makes a person a valuable target for immigration.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Or if an emergency room doctor refuses to save the life of the transgender person who just got rushed in with gun shot wounds? Simply because of these people's sexuality? I'll believe it if I see it I suppose.
Yeah but you won't see it will you because you are not LGBT and don't want to be troubled with thinking about it.
http://feministing.com/2010/08/02/transg...-hospital/
Quote:Erin Vaught went to Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana two weeks ago for medical care for coughing up blood. But what began as a scary health symptom turned into a complete nightmare: not only did hospital staff ridicule her during the two-hour wait to see a doctor, but was thereafter denied treatment because she is transgender.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:11 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Or if an emergency room doctor refuses to save the life of the transgender person who just got rushed in with gun shot wounds? Simply because of these people's sexuality? I'll believe it if I see it I suppose.
Yeah but you won't see it will you because you are not LGBT and don't want to be troubled with thinking about it.
http://feministing.com/2010/08/02/transg...-hospital/
Quote:Erin Vaught went to Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana two weeks ago for medical care for coughing up blood. But what began as a scary health symptom turned into a complete nightmare: not only did hospital staff ridicule her during the two-hour wait to see a doctor, but was thereafter denied treatment because she is transgender.
Pretty sure if the account is true, that was definitely illegal then, and remains illegal now.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 12:24 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: From what I understand, the intention of this is to not force doctors to perform procedures they have a moral objection to, such as abortion. I highly doubt this will turn into doctors legitimately being allowed to refuse to treat a patient based on the patient's orientation/faith/politics..
If they've a moral objection to carrying out medical procedures (including abortions), well guess what? They bloody well shouldn't have become doctors in the first place.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Or if an emergency room doctor refuses to save the life of the transgender person who just got rushed in with gun shot wounds? Simply because of these people's sexuality? I'll believe it if I see it I suppose.
Yeah but you won't see it will you because you are not LGBT and don't want to be troubled with thinking about it.
http://feministing.com/2010/08/02/transg...-hospital/
Quote:Erin Vaught went to Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana two weeks ago for medical care for coughing up blood. But what began as a scary health symptom turned into a complete nightmare: not only did hospital staff ridicule her during the two-hour wait to see a doctor, but was thereafter denied treatment because she is transgender.
Obviously a biased source, but assuming everything they said is exactly as it happened and this person was denied treatment simply because of their sexuality, did this case go to court and was it ruled acceptable?
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:21 pm
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(January 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Wololo Wrote: If they've a moral objection to carrying out medical procedures (including abortions), well guess what? They bloody well shouldn't have become doctors in the first place.
The amusing bit is this.....because of GOP fuckery some states have a grand total of 1 clinic that performs abortions. Those clinics obviously provide a range of other services..and a dedicated partisan operative need only insert themself into a single room to effectively eliminate abortion in those states..if they can refuse to provide -that- service.
People might say, well, the clinic just wont hire them. You mean discriminate in employment on the basis of their firmly held christian beliefs? A question in the interview as to whether or not they;re too moral and godly to provide the service?
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:24 pm
Quote:Obviously a biased source, but assuming everything they said is exactly as it happened and this person was denied treatment simply because of their sexuality, did this case go to court and was it ruled acceptable?
Right it's a "biased source "
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:24 pm
Under the old law, the Cake people got destroyed in court for not baking a cake. If you couldn't legally refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding, I assume you couldn't refuse to treat someone coughing up blood because they are transgender.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:29 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Yeah but you won't see it will you because you are not LGBT and don't want to be troubled with thinking about it.
http://feministing.com/2010/08/02/transg...-hospital/
Obviously a biased source, but assuming everything they said is exactly as it happened and this person was denied treatment simply because of their sexuality, did this case go to court and was it ruled acceptable?
You say obviously a biased source but this kind of treatment is normal for trans people in America. I found lots of examples that i did not link because I was looking explicitly for people being refused treatment in ER. I knew that you would be looking for any reason to dismiss the links. I even ignored one link for a transwoman who died in Pakistan when refused treatment in ER for gunshot wounds. I came across an academic paper discussing how trans people are ridiculed to the extent that they deliberately avoid going to ER. Same difference refusing treatment and making the environment hostile to a patient.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 3:36 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 12:24 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: From what I understand, the intention of this is to not force doctors to perform procedures they have a moral objection to, such as abortion. I highly doubt this will turn into doctors legitimately being allowed to refuse to treat a patient based on the patient's orientation/faith/politics..
Well I think to refuse to give a woman an abortion when you're a doctor and it's your job to perform medical procedures is awful. Put your religion above your job and you should get fired. The woman would end up having an unwanted baby and both her and the babies lives could end up being ruined just because some selfish doctor cared more about the magic imaginary sky daddy in his mind than about his job that he was supposed to be doing.
To object to any kind of medical prodcedure on non-medical grounds, when it's your job to carry it out, should get you fired, IMO. Either you do your job objectively or you don't do your job.
There's a reason people get a limited number of sick days. If a doctor wanted to avoid doing a medical procedure they should book one of their sick days in advance as everyone is allowed some time off. To just refuse to do your job because of your own personal feelings is ridiculous. Magical personal feelings about someone imaginary shouldn't be treated any different.
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