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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 5:14 pm
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I want to make it clear here..that it hardly matters whether or not CL is a fundy (or, frankly, whether anyone on earth is a fundy..or they;re all just a bunch of cynical assholes pretending at faith)......because she's wrong.
Demonstrably wrong, trivially wrong, predictably wrong. Yes, people do and have and will continue to attempt to use their "strong religious morals" to object to any manner of thing...particularly if our government allows them a provision which serves absolutely no other purpose.
Period.
-as an addendum "will it fly in court". I question why that would matter, after the fact, if someone denied medical service to person in realtime. The judge tossing it out is not a time machine that transports the victim back to when they needed help.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 5:22 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 5:14 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I want to make it clear here..that it hardly matters whether or not CL is a fundy (or, frankly, whether anyone on earth is a fundy..or they;re all just a bunch of cynical assholes pretending at faith)......because she's wrong.
Demonstrably wrong, trivially wrong, predictably wrong. Yes, people do and have and will continue to attempt to use their "strong religious morals" to object to any manner of thing...particularly if our government allows them a provision which serves absolutely no other purpose.
Period. Yup the minions of mysticism will abuse this law . And people will
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm
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Like I said. If you're so certain doctors will be legally allowed to refuse medical treatment to a person simply because the person is gay, then you should take comfort in knowing that when it happens you will get to come back here and tell me all about how wrong I was. In the mean time, there is really no reason to argue.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 5:43 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 4:55 pm)Wololo Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 2:53 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Which is how fascism gains power. Not because there are a few zealots who believe in their ideology but because normal people don't believe that it can happen.
This is why there is a white supremacist in the white house. Normal people trying to find normal explanations for abnormal views.
Martin Niemoller Wrote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
People like CL forget that in the system the likes of president Shitpickle would build they are the last group, the final roundup of untermenschen to be liquidated.
Lol, in a system like that, no one is coming for the Catholics. I was going to say white christians are their favored group. Then, I remembered that most Catholics seem to be Mexican or South American in other parts of the country. We have all the white ones in Boston. They're the touchy kind. We don't like them.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 5:57 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like I said. If you're so certain doctors will be legally allowed to refuse medical treatment to a person simply because the person is gay, then you should take comfort in knowing that when it happens you will get to come back here and tell me all about how wrong I was. In the mean time, there is really no reason to argue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...944178cf95
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 6:15 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 5:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like I said. If you're so certain doctors will be legally allowed to refuse medical treatment to a person simply because the person is gay, then you should take comfort in knowing that when it happens you will get to come back here and tell me all about how wrong I was. In the mean time, there is really no reason to argue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...944178cf95
That's really shitty. Though there is no specific law for this scenario, I don't see this doctor winning if they had decided to take her to court on the grounds of discrimination. Especially with how much legal trouble that bakery got into for not wanting to make a gay wedding cake.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 6:16 pm
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It....doesn't....matter.......if the asshole "wins". However, on that count, gaycakes lost, but slut pills won. So, you know, flip a coin.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 6:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 5:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...944178cf95
That's really shitty. Though there is no specific law for this scenario, I don't see this doctor winning if they had decided to take her to court on the grounds of discrimination. Especially with how much legal trouble that bakery got into for not wanting to make a gay wedding cake.
It gets a whole lot worse when HIV/AIDS is the treatment issue within LGBT.
Just because there is not a legal case does not mean that it does not happen with alarming frequency.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 6:47 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 6:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: That's really shitty. Though there is no specific law for this scenario, I don't see this doctor winning if they had decided to take her to court on the grounds of discrimination. Especially with how much legal trouble that bakery got into for not wanting to make a gay wedding cake.
It gets a whole lot worse when HIV/AIDS is the treatment issue within LGBT.
Just because there is not a legal case does not mean that it does not happen with alarming frequency. Now imagine what happens when there is a law that will this easier
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 11:31 pm
(January 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like I said. If you're so certain doctors will be legally allowed to refuse medical treatment to a person simply because the person is gay, then you should take comfort in knowing that when it happens you will get to come back here and tell me all about how wrong I was. In the mean time, there is really no reason to argue.
Are you aware of this incident from February, 2015, in Michigan? http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/doctor-r...uples-baby
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