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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 3:00 am
I worked for Costco in the 90's and had a women come in to buy several pairs of sunglasses for her family whom were visiting Maui. I looked at the name on her check and it was "Sinegal". I said, "they named a country after you". She thought it was funny.
A few minutes later, my boss came in and said that, "Jim Sinegal is here". I said, "Who's that?" He said, "The one who signs your paycheck". I looked at the check again, "Jim and Betty Sinegal, Kirkland WA". DAMN!
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 5:29 am
(January 19, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think something has been missed (or at least not talked about enough) in this entire kerfuffle.
The issue isn't that Trump used the word 'shithole' to describe the countries in question. The issue isn't even whether some or all of these countries qualify as shitholes. The issue as I see it can be split into two parts: Trump's ignorance and Trump's racism.
Ignorance: Yet again, Trump doesn't seem to grasp what his new job, and even his country, is supposed to be about. For the best part of two centuries, you lot have held yourselves out as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom to people from other countries, people that are having a harder go of it than any of us can probably imagine. People from Haiti want to go to the US because of how they are forced to live - people from Norway are significantly less motivated to do so. Sick, starving, oppressed people probably dream of a chance to make it to the US for a shot at a better life. And they dream that because of what they've been told. 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' isn't just a few lines on that statue - it is the implicit promise that the US has offered for generations. Trump lack of empathy for people who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths is bad enough, but it is even worse, even more demeaning, even more frightening is that he lacks a basic grasp of America's history and image that has made your country a goal for the world's most unfortunate.
Racism: 'Why can't we get more people from places like Norway?' All he knows about Norwegians is that they tend to be tall, blonde and blue-eyed. He didn't ask, 'Why can't we get more engineers and scientists?' or 'Why can't we get more people with financial degrees?'. He wants more people from countries with demographics that are overwhelmingly white. Forget about a potential immigrant's education, work ethic, criminal history - all that matters to Trump is that they have the proper melanin deficiency.
Ignorant, racist, heartless, cruel and cowardly. Good luck with him, America.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 5:40 am
(January 20, 2018 at 5:29 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 19, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think something has been missed (or at least not talked about enough) in this entire kerfuffle.
The issue isn't that Trump used the word 'shithole' to describe the countries in question. The issue isn't even whether some or all of these countries qualify as shitholes. The issue as I see it can be split into two parts: Trump's ignorance and Trump's racism.
Ignorance: Yet again, Trump doesn't seem to grasp what his new job, and even his country, is supposed to be about. For the best part of two centuries, you lot have held yourselves out as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom to people from other countries, people that are having a harder go of it than any of us can probably imagine. People from Haiti want to go to the US because of how they are forced to live - people from Norway are significantly less motivated to do so. Sick, starving, oppressed people probably dream of a chance to make it to the US for a shot at a better life. And they dream that because of what they've been told. 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' isn't just a few lines on that statue - it is the implicit promise that the US has offered for generations. Trump lack of empathy for people who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths is bad enough, but it is even worse, even more demeaning, even more frightening is that he lacks a basic grasp of America's history and image that has made your country a goal for the world's most unfortunate.
Racism: 'Why can't we get more people from places like Norway?' All he knows about Norwegians is that they tend to be tall, blonde and blue-eyed. He didn't ask, 'Why can't we get more engineers and scientists?' or 'Why can't we get more people with financial degrees?'. He wants more people from countries with demographics that are overwhelmingly white. Forget about a potential immigrant's education, work ethic, criminal history - all that matters to Trump is that they have the proper melanin deficiency.
Ignorant, racist, heartless, cruel and cowardly. Good luck with him, America.
Boru
I had a Norwegian dentist. He was black.
And I once met an albino Senegalese. What's your point?
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 5:50 am
(January 20, 2018 at 5:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 20, 2018 at 5:29 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I had a Norwegian dentist. He was black.
And I once met an albino Senegalese. What's your point?
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Not all Norwegians are white. But possibly Trump assumes they are.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 5:55 am
(January 20, 2018 at 5:50 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 20, 2018 at 5:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And I once met an albino Senegalese. What's your point?
Boru
Not all Norwegians are white. But possibly Trump assumes they are.
No one said all Norwegians are white (certainly not Yours Truly). But I have no doubt that this is what Trump assumes, so we're on the same page, there.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 6:00 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2018 at 6:02 am by The Industrial Atheist.)
The countries Trump mentioned may not be the best to live in. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't want them immigrating here. They often become more educated than the general populace, after migrating. I heard about this statistic on The Kyle Kulinski show.
http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-f...story.html
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 6:11 am
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(January 19, 2018 at 5:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Wally is right. We should be concerned about how we can help the people of Haiti rather than be outraged at the (true) comment that Haiti is a terrible country.
Here's a radical idea stop fucking over countries like Haiti every time they look to improve themsels. Stop backing military dictatorships. Stop funding islamist terrorists. Stop thwarting the democratic will of other countries.
A big part of the reason why third world countries are still in the shit is because the US, UK and France are still trying to rule them.
(January 19, 2018 at 9:26 pm)Antares Wrote: I worked in Africa for eight years. Most of the people I knew (friends and co-workers) were very clean people. I never visited Senegal but I did work with some Senegalese when I was in Nigeria. The OP’s article seems extreme with the feces everywhere claim. I’ve only been to 14 African countries and I never saw the shit storm described but hey, maybe Senegal is unique in that way?
No it's because he's pulling the article from american "thinker" a blog that's never allowed the truth get in the way of its proclamation that its hard right racist ideology is the one true path.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 7:49 am
(January 20, 2018 at 2:38 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Everyone was heaping tons of praise on Norway in the other thread. But if a right wing person does it, it's because they are white. It's funny how liberals, when asked what countries they admire, normally pick the whitest countries. No racism there.
Yep, when leftie celebs were saying they'd leave America if Trump were elected, they generally said they be movimg to places as white or whiter than America. Don't recall any saying they'd be moving to Haiti or sub-Sharan Africa or the Middle East.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 7:51 am
(January 20, 2018 at 7:49 am)alpha male Wrote: (January 20, 2018 at 2:38 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Everyone was heaping tons of praise on Norway in the other thread. But if a right wing person does it, it's because they are white. It's funny how liberals, when asked what countries they admire, normally pick the whitest countries. No racism there.
Yep, when leftie celebs were saying they'd leave America if Trump were elected, they generally said they be movimg to places as white or whiter than America. Don't recall any saying they'd be moving to Haiti or sub-Sharan Africa or the Middle East.
Quit your bitching. Not our fault you support a fucking asshole.
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RE: Some countries literally are shitholes
January 20, 2018 at 7:53 am
(January 19, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ignorance: Yet again, Trump doesn't seem to grasp what his new job, and even his country, is supposed to be about. For the best part of two centuries, you lot have held yourselves out as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom to people from other countries, people that are having a harder go of it than any of us can probably imagine.
Oh please, if a conservative claimed this, you guys would say - correctly - that America brought in immigrants due to a need for labor and treated them like crap. Africans were slaves, Chinese not much better off.
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