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(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's see He ... gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader.
I'm curious what you consider "compassion" considering the smug post of yours I just read where you'd see the looks on our faces as you wave goodbye to us as we have to look forward to an eternity of torture. It sounded to me like sadistic delight which strikes me as the opposite of compassion.
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(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's see He has helped me to stop smoking, drug use, profanity, abusing alcohol, gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader. He has helped me through my fathers death which effected me more than I could possibly imagine.He has helped me through the deaths of many close family members and several good friends. He helped me through the death of one of the youth in my youth group and used me to help others through such a terrible event. He helps me to make good decisions, when I listen to Him. For years, 30 to be exact, I have asked God to help me choose a vehicle be it car or truck that would be nearly trouble free and He has. In those 30 years we have only had to purchase four vehicles and none of them has given us much of a problem. I've asked Him for protection in our lives and to this day He has, asked Him to get us through illness and He has both physically and with peace of mind. I've prayed for many others and you'll need to ask them about their situations, I do not always see or hear from a lot of these people. I could go on and on for these are just a few things God as done in my life and all the unknown I guess will be revealed when I meet Him face to face.
Wow, this is quite a list. I guess you must be God's chosen ones because as Skipper pointed out, there are plenty of people starving and praying who don't get half the attention. I guess you must be a lot more favored than them... or maybe they are not *true* believers ™ or have sinned in some special way for God to hate them so... but God loves everyone equally doesn't he?
Reminds me of those Christian's who after the Haiti earthquake were saying God did it to teach everyone a lesson. Fuckwits.
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(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's see He has helped me to stop smoking, drug use, profanity, abusing alcohol, gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader. He has helped me through my fathers death which effected me more than I could possibly imagine.He has helped me through the deaths of many close family members and several good friends. He helped me through the death of one of the youth in my youth group and used me to help others through such a terrible event. He helps me to make good decisions, when I listen to Him. For years, 30 to be exact, I have asked God to help me choose a vehicle be it car or truck that would be nearly trouble free and He has. In those 30 years we have only had to purchase four vehicles and none of them has given us much of a problem. I've asked Him for protection in our lives and to this day He has, asked Him to get us through illness and He has both physically and with peace of mind. I've prayed for many others and you'll need to ask them about their situations, I do not always see or hear from a lot of these people. I could go on and on for these are just a few things God as done in my life and all the unknown I guess will be revealed when I meet Him face to face.
Hmmm, I know plenty of people who pulled off these feats all by themselves. I guess they must be as good as god to you then.
November 17, 2010 at 11:55 pm (This post was last modified: November 18, 2010 at 12:20 am by Godscreated.)
(November 17, 2010 at 9:47 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's see He ... gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader.
I'm curious what you consider "compassion" considering the smug post of yours I just read where you'd see the looks on our faces as you wave goodbye to us as we have to look forward to an eternity of torture. It sounded to me like sadistic delight which strikes me as the opposite of compassion.
DP I was kidding around sorry you took it the wrong way.If I had written what I really thought you would have said I was preaching.
(November 17, 2010 at 3:53 pm)Loki_999 Wrote:
(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's see He has helped me to stop smoking, drug use, profanity, abusing alcohol, gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader. He has helped me through my fathers death which effected me more than I could possibly imagine.He has helped me through the deaths of many close family members and several good friends. He helped me through the death of one of the youth in my youth group and used me to help others through such a terrible event. He helps me to make good decisions, when I listen to Him. For years, 30 to be exact, I have asked God to help me choose a vehicle be it car or truck that would be nearly trouble free and He has. In those 30 years we have only had to purchase four vehicles and none of them has given us much of a problem. I've asked Him for protection in our lives and to this day He has, asked Him to get us through illness and He has both physically and with peace of mind. I've prayed for many others and you'll need to ask them about their situations, I do not always see or hear from a lot of these people. I could go on and on for these are just a few things God as done in my life and all the unknown I guess will be revealed when I meet Him face to face.
Wow, this is quite a list. I guess you must be God's chosen ones because as Skipper pointed out, there are plenty of people starving and praying who don't get half the attention. I guess you must be a lot more favored than them... or maybe they are not *true* believers ™ or have sinned in some special way for God to hate them so... but God loves everyone equally doesn't he?
Reminds me of those Christian's who after the Haiti earthquake were saying God did it to teach everyone a lesson. Fuckwits.
You wanted to know so I shared sorry.
(November 17, 2010 at 8:24 am)Skipper Wrote:
(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 16, 2010 at 2:35 am)Loki_999 Wrote:
Oh? How has he helped you? Directly I mean, not some woo about how you were feeling sad, prayed, and felt much better, or some relative was dying and you prayed and they got better.
Let's see He has helped me to stop smoking, drug use, profanity, abusing alcohol, gave me much more compassion and a great desire to help others and all this before He led me to a church to be a youth leader. He has helped me through my fathers death which effected me more than I could possibly imagine.He has helped me through the deaths of many close family members and several good friends. He helped me through the death of one of the youth in my youth group and used me to help others through such a terrible event. He helps me to make good decisions, when I listen to Him.
All them things people can and do get through without believing in a god. Sorry to say it, it just so happens that you decided to believe god was looking after you as a coping method to help you deal with the issues you had. God played no part at all, the human mind is a very subjective thing.
(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: For years, 30 to be exact, I have asked God to help me choose a vehicle be it car or truck that would be nearly trouble free and He has. In those 30 years we have only had to purchase four vehicles and none of them has given us much of a problem.
haha. Yea, there are millions of people suffering the world over, some very religious ones, who live their whole lives in poverty amongst sickness and war yet god chooses to ignore their plight and helps you get a good deal on a car. Can you not see how silly you sound?
(November 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: I've asked Him for protection in our lives and to this day He has, asked Him to get us through illness and He has both physically and with peace of mind.
Why are you getting ill in the first place if god was only going to cure you anyway? I obviously believe in no gods yet when I was admitted to hospital for a week I was treated by the doctors and nurses and made a full recovery, by attributing recovery to some higher power that you have no proof for you do a dis service to all those health professionals who helped me and others get better and all the years of scientific discovery that has led us to the point we are at now that allows us to prevent and treat so many more illness' and problems than we ever could in the past ( by the way why didn't god "lead" us to these discoveries earlier so we could save more lives? Why now, over the last two hundred years when according to your lot we are living in even more sin than ever before, I would have thought he would have hidden them so as to punish us) . Also, it's interesting that the amount of people who are ill who also pray and believe in god that don't get better is as high as it is, why does god save some, such as you, and not others in your eyes? Have you ever tried refusing treatment for an illness and just prayed? Try it, and lets see how far you get.
You must have a very confused mind, I was only mentioning what God has done for me, that's what was asked, guess I should have known better by now, sharing things in this place means nothing when it's a christian sharing. Guess I've over stayed my welcome hope you guys find what ever it is your looking for.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
I think you missed the point Godschild. Nothing you described is not possible without god being in the picture.
I mean, if you had said you fell out of an airplane and before impact you decelerated to non-lethal speed before impact, and there was a good crowd of (impartial) witnesses, perhaps with some video evidence, and no other factors that could account for your sudden deceleration, then it would certainly raise a few questions. It still wouldn't prove God of course, but it certainly would be an extraordinary event which science would find difficult to explain away.
If there was an atheist falling at the same time as you next to you and he didn't decelerate and died then this would raise even more questions.
If the atheists survived and you died then i think we could safely say that a deity does exist and either he has a sense of humour or he doesn't like Christians ;-)
And the other point was the same as what Skipper was trying to say. Why is God helping you so much and yet ignoring very pious people in other places? Why are you so special to God?
And as an additional point, and this is going to sound nasty i'm afraid, but you mentioned deaths in the family and with friends... did you celebrate when they died? You really should do you know. They are now in heaven with your all loving God according to your beliefs. They have their reward... unless they were sinners, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or atheists and then they are in hell, but hey, then this is also fair according to your beliefs.
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Godschild Wrote: Let's see He has helped me to stop smoking, drug use, profanity, abusing alcohol
Relative to these addictions it sounds more like the placebo effect really. If at the time of these addictions you already had decided that you needed to change things in your life, then "God" was there as your placebo (your sugar pill). You basically did all of these things on your own, you just don't realize that. All the other things in your list are all circumstantial and subject to interpretation from your own religious perspective, but seen from the outside looking in it is not evidence of anything.
Have you ever heard of the terms; "being in the right place at the right time" or the opposite "being at the wrong place at the wrong time"? An example of the first would be for instance that you are unemployed and desperately looking for a job, and it turns out you go out one day to the park and strike up a conversation with a stranger who just happens to own his own company and is looking for someone of your abilities and experience. You tell him your plight and he reveals that he has one or several openings and sets you up for employment, would you say that was God or just a random coincidence?
This week one of my daughters friends of 11 years old died abruptly due to her blood sugar sky rocketing (she was a diabetic). My daughter went to her funeral yesterday. With God in the equation I don't see any way to justify the senseless death of a child who had her whole life ahead of her. Without God this occurrence makes a lot of sense to me because I recognize that life is nothing more than a continuous series of random events that we have no control over. Some things we can control but there are things like death, fatal illness, etc. that we just are helpless to do anything about.
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(November 17, 2010 at 11:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must have a very confused mind
You must be confusing thinking logically and objectively with having a confused mind because I fail to see how, out of the two of us, you come to the conclusion I'm the one with the confused mind when you are claiming the all powerful, all loving being you believe in despite having zero evidence for is helping you choose reliable auto-mobiles whilst simultaneously ignoring the plight of billions of people with real issues like living in poverty, illness and war zones.
(November 17, 2010 at 11:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must have a very confused mind
You must be confusing thinking logically and objectively with having a confused mind because I fail to see how, out of the two of us, you come to the conclusion I'm the one with the confused mind when you are claiming the all powerful, all loving being you believe in despite having zero evidence for is helping you choose reliable auto-mobiles whilst simultaneously ignoring the plight of billions of people with real issues like living in poverty, illness and war zones.
I get a brand new car every year and never have a problem. And I never have to bother the creator of the universe; because he doesn't exist. I guess that proves atheism is better Godschild?
On the other hand becuase you have such clear thinking and Skipper such confused thinking we could express your proof of god as a syllogism, lets see:
P1. All vehicles are not trouble free
P2. You can pray to invisible men who create universes to find you a good runner
P3. Godschild buys vehicles
P4. Godschild prays
P5. Godschild always gets a good runner
C. Invisible men that create universes exist
Its a new tour de force in the philosophy of relgion Godschild. Whats next I have never cut my finger when opening a tin of dog food proof?
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
