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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 10:23 am
(January 22, 2018 at 10:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The argument can be rephrased.
if it's possibly from God, it cannot be in any other way. (perhaps more intuitive)
It's possible it is from God.
Therefore it can be only one way.
Therefore it is from God.
What?
What?
What?
What?
None of that makes sense to me at all!
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 10:27 am
(January 22, 2018 at 9:47 am)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 9:40 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: You mean:-
1. Taffy in all possible worlds has one definition and reality.
Ok... what does that have to do with the molestation-of-logic in 2 or 3? Taffy for sure doesn't have on possible definition and reality.
For example, it can be created differently through different means. It can be added a mint taste. It has various ways it can taste or be made.
Is the same true of morality? Is a matter that it can be this or that, and can be made from anything like even Aliens?
Think about it. Really. What the heart of goodness is, and you will see love has to value things objectively as best as possible, and even relationships established by love have a truth with it.
Everything is created in truth, it's not chaotic chemicals that came out through mutations and other factors, that produces the value "it's good to love" nor is chemicals that make you inherit your actions nor are you actions at the end just physical but have spiritual intentions and they are linked to you.
Taffy does have only one possible definition and reality, because any other variation like "created differently through different means" would be a corruption.
And no, love doesn't have to value things objectively. Your neighbor doesn't love your parents as much as you do. Love is subjective.
"It's good to love" is not necessarily good... "it's good to love blood and gore", "it's good to love money", e.t.c
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2018 at 10:30 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If the turd you see floating in your toilet could -possibly- be mine....would you then concede that it must be mine?
If it were possible that my morning shit caused the sun to rise, would you then concede that it must be my morning shit that caused the sun to rise?
Now take a look at that turd I left in your toilet, again..and you're welcome for all the rays. Yet another service I provide.
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 10:36 am
(January 22, 2018 at 10:23 am)possibletarian Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 10:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The argument can be rephrased.
if it's possibly from God, it cannot be in any other way. (perhaps more intuitive)
It's possible it is from God.
Therefore it can be only one way.
Therefore it is from God.
What?
What?
What?
What?
None of that makes sense to me at all!
Exactly.
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 11:32 am
I think he is more than halfway there on his journey of convincing himself to attain martyrdom via suicide bombing or some other means abhorrent to productive secular society.
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 11:57 am
MysticKnight Wrote:Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.
What's your motivation for making these arguments when you believe that we all believe God is real and that your arguments are super-convincing and are just lying about it? Since you believe we are lying in both instances, what do you expect to get out of our responses?
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 1:56 pm
(January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.
The ability to define a thing does not mean it must exist. Gnomes for example are well defined but I haven't seen one not made of concrete lately.
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 2:01 pm
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Ouch, tell that to the modal ontological........the only valid argument for a god depends on nothing -but- defining it into existence... possibly, in some world.
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Waiting for the "clear proof".
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RE: Very short argument for God (another clear proof)
January 22, 2018 at 4:06 pm
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(January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.
I can't believe you are unable to detect the fallacies in this 'argument'. But then, ALL your arguments are fallacious.
Not only is it circular, it a the very definition of "argument from personal incredulity".
How did you go about eliminating all other possibilities? Even ones you can't conceive of.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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