Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies

[Aegon]

Do you find you have trouble getting access to care?

In general, not really. If I need to see a doctor for check ups or because I got the flu or whatever, I present them my Medicare card, and that's that. It doesn't cover everything, of course. But it takes care of the essentials for a lot of people.

I support the implementation of a two tier system similar to that of Australia's here in America.

[John V]

Expenses have been cut. Extra work is not always available.

You make it sound so easy, but you aren't living our lives so you have no right to assume that we can just do what you suggest. And neither can thousands of other families. You do realize that extra available work has to actually be a thing, right?

You live somewhere without Walmarts and fast food? Around here those places are always hiring.

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Yes, I’m aware of the concept of controlling variables when attempting to identity true cause and effect in research.

But you object when I use it. Alrighty then...

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, bootstrapping up and out on a mc'wage.  Jesus christ alpha, at least -try-.  If that were a credible plan then the US wouldn't be full of icky takers, now would it?

[John V]

I don’t need to work them in, because they just exist in reality on their own, whether you like it or not.  You took this same fallacious approach in the thread about minorities and crime/poverty.  If your position on a socioeconomic problem requires that you ignore or dismiss the myriad of complex and interconnected variables that fuel that particular problem, then you’ve arrived at your conclusion using faulty logic.  You are refusing to see that it’s more complicated than you want it to be, so that you can continue on with this idiotic finger-pointing.

You can't discuss an issue at a socioeconomic level if you treat every person as unique.

One important point I made which you glossed over, (and to ShellB’s point which you also hand-waved away), is that at least here, even Silver plans have deductibles upwards of 5-7k/year for a single individual, with literally everything being subject to the deductible, including prescriptions.  Deductibles for families are in the 12-14k/year range.  So, even if the premium is reasonable, it’s certainly not affordable coverage.  It’s not coverage at all.

Average deductible for an individual silver plan in 2017 was $3,500. Max out-of pocket costs were $6,500. So, if this guy needed a couple hundred thousand in treatment, it would have hit his savings or put him in debt $6,500. That's not a bad deal.

Alpha’s reasoning is a lot like Sam Kinison’s, now that I think about it.  Too bad they couldn’t have collaborated; they’d have all the world’s problems solved by now.

Kinison on world hunger:

“You want to help world hunger? Stop sending them food. Don't send them another bite, send them U-Hauls. Send them a guy that says, ‘You know, we've been coming here giving you food for about 35 years now and we were driving through the desert, and we realized there wouldn't BE world hunger if you people would just live where the FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!  UNDERSTAND THAT?  YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT!  NOTHING GROWS HERE.  NOTHING IS EVER GONNA GROW HERE!  Come here, you see this? This is sand. You know what it's gonna be 100 years from now? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!  We have deserts in America, we just don't live in them, assholes!"

If my reasoning were like that, I'd be suggesting people move to Canada. I haven't been doing that, but come to think of it... why don't they?

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps we expect to be able to one up the canadian system...what with them having all of 1.5tUSD to work with..compared to our 18.5t?  That and, you know, Murica fuck yeah!!!  The reason that the comparison by analogy doesn;t fit..is that were are living in an oasis, not a desert.

I'm tired of being told that we can't achieve what those lousy snow moles with their poverty GDP can.  Just a thought.

[Shell B]

Today I learned that getting a visa into Canada is free, citizenship is guaranteed and it's free to move all of your belongings and leave your family/friends behind! That's a much better idea than fixing the problems with our country.

[Amarok]

Today I learned that getting a visa into Canada is free, citizenship is guaranteed and it's free to move all of your belongings and leave your family/friends behind! That's a much better idea than fixing the problems with our country.

Yup running away from the problem always works 

[John V]

Today I learned that getting a visa into Canada is free, citizenship is guaranteed and it's free to move all of your belongings and leave your family/friends behind! That's a much better idea than fixing the problems with our country.

Bitching isn't fixing.

Either we need to expect people to take some amount of personal responsibility for their health care, or we need to move to single payer. The dems had their chance to fix it, and they gave us the current program which you guys are all saying is practically worthless.

[The Grand Nudger]

That seems more than a bit disingenuous, lol. Sure, the dems tanked their own plan in significant ways, but they had quite a bit of help..help which is currently ongoing....and it was never a single payer system anyway...so?

I don't understand the dilemma proposed above..either. Why is there some choice between people taking some amount of personal responsibility for their health care and a single payer system? Those don't seem like mutually exclusive items. Care to elaborate?

[John V]

Yup running away from the problem always works 

You seem to think so when the issue is immigration into the US.