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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 12:19 am
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(February 12, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Martian Mermaid Wrote: (February 3, 2018 at 2:36 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Sigmund Freud said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Fr...osexuality
He literally said, that homosexuality is not a crime; neither is it the person's fault. But -and I'm quoting Freud literally- it is a "production" of a "certain arrest of sexual development".
Homosexuality is a production of certain arrests of sexual development, and many people went through it.
Maybe Freud doesn't acknowledge the society's role in that arrest; and that's his opinion. But I acknowledge that the arrest is unnatural and actually caused by society.
That's all. Homosexuality is not natural.
It's a product of an "arrest" of sexual development.
Personally; I see that arrest -which I personally see as compulsive and forced- to be a crime. First of all, this does not explain the romantic aspects of homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't just about sex, you know. Many homosexuals love the person they are with, and the feelings they share with their partner are the same feelings two heterosexual lovers feel towards each other. If you do not believe that the love is real, then I'm sorry, but you are ignoring a huge part of all of this, because the feelings are real.
Also, another problem with your theory is that homosexuals exist in all kinds of different environments and societies(Even if some people never come out of the closet, I am telling you they are there). Sure, this fact doesn't disprove your claim, it does however show how small the cause would have to be if it was social though, as you would have to have something very similar in all cultures that is the cause. It would be very hard to figure out what that cause is, since it would be so un-obvious.
3rd, the percentage of the population that is LGBT is quite small. 3%-5%. If homosexuality was a product of something in society, wouldn't, like, almost everyone in a society with that cause be gay? Since every person in a society is exposed to society, they are exposed to this undetectable cause. So why is such a small percentage of the population LGBT? Is this small percentage just sensitive to it or something? If that's the case, then they were born being sensitive to it. And we are back to the point of us being born with something.
I believe the trigger is the hormones and the submission to their effect; then the mind works in that frame, with a choice to how to manage the submission to the hormones.
Explaining this more: we seek mates because our hormones push us. Just like animals in the mating season.
Then; our human mind writes how we should quench the need of the hormone. Some go date, others just have sex, others love and seek a romantic relationship.
All I can say that it's about the mind more than anything; it's about who you choose to be in the most part.
I consider homosexuality to be "in a small percentage" because the culture backfires.
Every trait the culture forces on its population might work for 90% or 95% of the population; but backfires with 5% or 10%: doesn't work probably.
That's why two brothers or sisters in the same house, might grow to be doctors or serial killers. What worked for one, didn't work for the other.
Quote: Is this small percentage just sensitive to it or something?
I think yes. Just like people with Hypersexuality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality
Romance is a production of love. If a gay person love their mate; then romance appear. It appears even in the love with no sexual aspects.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 12:37 am
(February 15, 2018 at 12:19 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (February 12, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Martian Mermaid Wrote: First of all, this does not explain the romantic aspects of homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't just about sex, you know. Many homosexuals love the person they are with, and the feelings they share with their partner are the same feelings two heterosexual lovers feel towards each other. If you do not believe that the love is real, then I'm sorry, but you are ignoring a huge part of all of this, because the feelings are real.
Also, another problem with your theory is that homosexuals exist in all kinds of different environments and societies(Even if some people never come out of the closet, I am telling you they are there). Sure, this fact doesn't disprove your claim, it does however show how small the cause would have to be if it was social though, as you would have to have something very similar in all cultures that is the cause. It would be very hard to figure out what that cause is, since it would be so un-obvious.
3rd, the percentage of the population that is LGBT is quite small. 3%-5%. If homosexuality was a product of something in society, wouldn't, like, almost everyone in a society with that cause be gay? Since every person in a society is exposed to society, they are exposed to this undetectable cause. So why is such a small percentage of the population LGBT? Is this small percentage just sensitive to it or something? If that's the case, then they were born being sensitive to it. And we are back to the point of us being born with something.
I believe the trigger is the hormones and the submission to their effect; then the mind works in that frame, with a choice to how to manage the submission to the hormones.
Explaining this more: we seek mates because our hormones push us. Just like animals in the mating season.
Then; our human mind writes how we should quench the need of the hormone. Some go date, others just have sex, others love and seek a romantic relationship.
All I can say that it's about the mind more than anything; it's about who you choose to be in the most part.
I consider homosexuality to be "in a small percentage" because the culture backfires.
Every trait the culture forces on its population might work for 90% or 95% of the population; but backfires with 5% or 10%: doesn't work probably.
That's why two brothers or sisters in the same house, might grow to be doctors or serial killers. What worked for one, didn't work for the other.
Quote: Is this small percentage just sensitive to it or something?
I think yes. Just like people with Hypersexuality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality
Romance is a production of love. If a gay person love their mate; then romance appear. It appears even in the love with no sexual aspects.
Why does your chosen religion disagree?
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 12:43 am
(February 10, 2018 at 6:56 pm)Banned Wrote: The mouth was designed to be at the other end of the torso, for communicating.
Funny, you were designed wrong then. Cause your mouth spews shit, and you talk out of your ass.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 2:22 am
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Funny if the moth is for talking . Then why do we eat? . Why are their pleasure centers in the mouth? . And even if it was designed for said task so what ? Were feet designed to kick a ball .
Quote:I believe the trigger is the hormones and the submission to their effect; then the mind works in that frame, with a choice to how to manage the submission to the hormones.
Explaining this more: we seek mates because our hormones push us. Just like animals in the mating season.
Then; our human mind writes how we should quench the need of the hormone. Some go date, others just have sex, others love and seek a romantic relationship.
All I can say that it's about the mind more than anything; it's about who you choose to be in the most part.
I consider homosexuality to be "in a small percentage" because the culture backfires.
Every trait the culture forces on its population might work for 90% or 95% of the population; but backfires with 5% or 10%: doesn't work probably.
That's why two brothers or sisters in the same house, might grow to be doctors or serial killers. What worked for one, didn't work for the other.
Your belief is fundamentally wrong .
Quote:I think yes. Just like people with Hypersexuality
Romance is a production of love. If a gay person love their mate; then romance appear. It appears even in the love with no sexual aspects.
Hypersexuality is nothing like Homosexuality nice try .
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:08 am
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(February 15, 2018 at 2:22 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:I believe the trigger is the hormones and the submission to their effect; then the mind works in that frame, with a choice to how to manage the submission to the hormones.
Explaining this more: we seek mates because our hormones push us. Just like animals in the mating season.
Then; our human mind writes how we should quench the need of the hormone. Some go date, others just have sex, others love and seek a romantic relationship.
All I can say that it's about the mind more than anything; it's about who you choose to be in the most part.
I consider homosexuality to be "in a small percentage" because the culture backfires.
Every trait the culture forces on its population might work for 90% or 95% of the population; but backfires with 5% or 10%: doesn't work probably.
That's why two brothers or sisters in the same house, might grow to be doctors or serial killers. What worked for one, didn't work for the other.
Your belief is fundamentally wrong .
Why?
If you neuter a human or animal; you literally kill the sexual drive they have. They stop seeking mates, especially animals.
A known habit Ottomans used to do -for example-, was the neutering of slaves. A neutered servant is known as "Agha آغا ". Sad but it was an effective method to prevent the servants from sleeping with the Sultan's harem.
Quote:Quote: Wrote:I think yes. Just like people with Hypersexuality
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality][/url]
Romance is a production of love. If a gay person love their mate; then romance appear. It appears even in the love with no sexual aspects.
Hypersexuality is nothing like Homosexuality nice try .
Addicts of transexual porn report a similar story -google it to believe me-, that they started with straight porn, then little by little they drifted to tranny porn. And got stuck there. The problem is so clear; they couldn't take their hands off their penises. It is a problem of excess masturbation, so hypersexuality is an expected suspect.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:12 am
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Okay, so accepting that sexual and romantic drives are fundamentally hormone based - hormones produced in and by the body - that makes them... what?
Hint: it starts with 'n'. And ends with 'atural'.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:36 am
Quote:Why?
If you neuter a human or animal; you literally kill the sexual drive they have. They stop seeking mates, especially animals.
A known habit Ottomans used to do -for example-, was the neutering of slaves. A neutered servant is known as "Agha آغا ". Sad but it was an effective method to prevent the servants from sleeping with the Sultan's harem.
That has frag all to dpo with being gay
Quote:Addicts of transexual porn report a similar story -google it to believe me-, that they started with straight porn, then little by little they drifted to tranny porn. And got stuck there. The problem is so clear; they couldn't take their hands off their penises. It is a problem of excess masturbation, so hypersexuality is an expected suspect.
That is the silliest thing I have yet heard
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:40 am
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(February 15, 2018 at 3:12 am)Cyberman Wrote: Okay, so accepting that sexual and romantic drives are fundamentally hormone based - hormones produced in and by the body - that makes them... what?
Hint: it starts with 'n'. And ends with 'atural'.
No: sexual drive is hormone based.
Love, romance originates in the mind.
It is "giving the hormone rush a meaning". That's why all cultures practice sex, but not all cultures focus on love and romance.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:41 am
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(February 15, 2018 at 3:36 am)Tizheruk Wrote: That is the silliest thing I have yet heard
Stick around.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Homosexuality
February 15, 2018 at 3:43 am
(February 15, 2018 at 3:40 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (February 15, 2018 at 3:12 am)Cyberman Wrote: Okay, so accepting that sexual and romantic drives are fundamentally hormone based - hormones produced in and by the body - that makes them... what?
Hint: it starts with 'n'. And ends with 'atural'.
No: sexual drive is hormone based.
Love, romance originates in the mind.
It is "giving the hormone rush a meaning". That's why all cultures practice sex, but not all cultures focus on love and romance.
Is the production of these hormones natural or not?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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