Homosexuality

[Jeezypete]

Ah good ol SF. Basically everything he said was dead wrong. And people still think he had all the answers. Gay people are gay. It’s that simple. They like wieners, either in or around their butt or mouth. If that frightens you, you know what a women feels like. Don’t worry though, generally through years of facing things from live burning to chemical castration they tend to be slightly more sympathetic and reserved. I am actually more concerned about people who are actually “sexually arrested”. They tend to end with actual police. And not the sexy kind.

[polymath257]

Maybe we're being excessively tough on Atlas.  I think it's possible that he's afraid of homosexuality because he doesn't understand it.  I propose a crowd-sourcing initiative whereby we can send vorlon to his house and explain it to him.

Boru

Given his recent discovery of female orgasm, I'd say his lack of understanding is pretty broad.

Maybe a *basic* course on human sexuality is in order?

[Divinity]

Belief in God is not Natural.  So I think we should take you out back and fucking stone you to death.  It's a crime against nature after all.

So shut the fuck up, you worthless piece of trash.  No wait, you're not trash.  That's a fucking insult to trash.  You're lower than the lowest maggot.  The world would be better off if you didn't exist.

[Abaddon_ire]

Sigmund Freud said:

Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime –and a cruelty, too. If you do not believe me, read the books of Havelock Ellis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Fr...osexuality

He literally said, that homosexuality is not a crime; neither is it the person's fault. But -and I'm quoting Freud literally- it is a "production" of a "certain arrest of sexual development".

Homosexuality is a production of certain arrests of sexual development, and many people went through it.
Maybe Freud doesn't acknowledge the society's role in that arrest; and that's his opinion. But I acknowledge that the arrest is unnatural and actually caused by society.

That's all. Homosexuality is not natural.
It's a product of an "arrest" of sexual development.

Personally; I see that arrest -which I personally see as compulsive and forced- to be a crime.

Nope, homosexuality is very much natural. Many other animals engage in it. It took religion to make you feel unnatural.

I am as straight as it gets, but my eldest is trans. Am I judgmental about that? No. It takes religion to get that level of poxy judgment.

[chimp3]

Sigmund Freud said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Fr...osexuality

He literally said, that homosexuality is not a crime; neither is it the person's fault. But -and I'm quoting Freud literally- it is a "production" of a "certain arrest of sexual development".

Homosexuality is a production of certain arrests of sexual development, and many people went through it.
Maybe Freud doesn't acknowledge the society's role in that arrest; and that's his opinion. But I acknowledge that the arrest is unnatural and actually caused by society.

That's all. Homosexuality is not natural.
It's a product of an "arrest" of sexual development.

Personally; I see that arrest -which I personally see as compulsive and forced- to be a crime.

Nope, homosexuality is very much natural. Many other animals engage in it. It took religion to make you feel unnatural.

I am as straight as it gets, but my eldest is trans. Am I judgmental about that? No. It takes religion to get that level of poxy judgment.

As Hitchens pointed out: We are born sick and commanded to be well! 

The essence of religion!

[Minimalist]

Seriously Atlas? WTF is wrong with you?

I suspect that deep down he's a republicunt.

[Abaddon_ire]

?Beats me. As far as I can tell Atlass33 is a repressed somehing on the LGBTQ spectrum. Religion seems to have comprehensively messed that up.

Just MHO.

[ohreally]

It sounds like you've only just scratched the surface of Freud. You can spend all the time you want reading and researching Freud and you will still be 100 years behind on modern psychology when you're all done. If you want a historical perspective on the field then that is great. If you actually want to talk on a serious level I would concentrate on research and findings from the last 20 years, as a rough guide.

[vulcanlogician]

It sounds like you've only just scratched the surface of Freud.  You can spend all the time you want reading and researching Freud and you will still be 100 years behind on modern psychology when you're all done.  If you want a historical perspective on the field then that is great.  If you actually want to talk on a serious level I would concentrate on research and findings from the last 20 years, as a rough guide.

Yeah, OP doesn't seem to have a tight grasp upon Freudian psychosexual development, nor does he realize that is some of the weakest shit ever produced in the field of psychology.

It sounds like you have read some Freud though, ohreally. I actually think he had some keen insights into human nature, namely that we are more driven by sex and aggression than we realize or would like to admit. Also, the whole iceberg analogy. I don't think the subconscious breaks down quite like Freud thought it did, but still, there are many forces within mind that act below our conscious radar. If you keep him at arms length, and understand how bunk he is on things in general, one can learn a lot from Freud.

[Huggy Bear]

I'll say this, there is extremely disproportionate amount of sexual abuse in the backgrounds of those that identify as homosexual, yet no one want to draw the correlation, between sexual abuse and homosexuality.

Just look at the list of Gay celebrities that admit they were sexually abused.

Don Lemon

Ellen DeGeneres

George Takei

Milo Yiannopoulos

Anderson Cooper

Stephen Fry

I think you get the picture, not to mention I used to listen to loveline back in the day and I'd say 95% of the homosexual callers admitted to being sexually abused when asked by Adam and Dr Drew.




The Doctor on the panel states that abuse alters the trajectory of a young brains development... But like I said, we don't want to draw the connection.