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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:40 pm
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(February 8, 2018 at 12:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 11:37 am)Aegon Wrote: Oh, am I a Marxist now? I can't keep up with all these labels people are putting on me.
I didn't use the label. You did.
(February 8, 2018 at 7:21 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: That's Communism. Very few letfties are Communists.
On a full scale maybe...but doesn't universal healthcare, for example, apply that concept?
It's not necessarily even fully socialist. Some countries keep private hospitals, doctors etc. while having the tax money pay for everyone's health care. Socialism advocates for the means of production and distribution to be socially owned (though often not completely). Communism seeks to do away with private property altogether, let alone private hospitals and doctors.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:44 pm
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I thought it'd be obvious. Unlike women getting paid different hourly wages for the same job, which is discrimination, this is a case of women having more responsibilities than men in general when it comes to home and family. They likely can't work as much because they're child rearing. I'm not sure about the driving faster. I've got more speeding tickets than anyone I know.
(February 8, 2018 at 12:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 11:37 am)Aegon Wrote: Oh, am I a Marxist now? I can't keep up with all these labels people are putting on me.
I didn't use the label. You did.
(February 8, 2018 at 7:21 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: That's Communism. Very few letfties are Communists.
On a full scale maybe...but doesn't universal healthcare, for example, apply that concept?
Say it with me . . . democratic socialism.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm
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(February 8, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 12:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: I didn't use the label. You did.
On a full scale maybe...but doesn't universal healthcare, for example, apply that concept?
Say it with me . . . democratic socialism.
Honestly... No. Not even Democratic socialism. Any sort of socialism requires a planned economy. It's "social democracy". Fuck Sanders for introducing the term "Democratic socialism" into the American public discourse.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:51 pm
You can take an example from democratic socialism without actually having a planned economy. Calm down.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:52 pm
But why, when the capitalist system has the same facet? Using the word "socialism" frightens Americans and it sours them to an idea that they would otherwise support.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 1:57 pm
It's not my job to mollycoddle them. People who are scared of words should learn to understand context better.
While virtually every example of countries that have universal health care are capitalist, I wouldn't call it capitalist in nature. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm certainly no expert, but that's not what I learned in economics.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 2:29 pm
You never hear feminists clamoring about the need to encourage more women to enter mining, construction, and trades that are disproportionately male.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 2:38 pm
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(February 8, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Shell B Wrote: It's not my job to mollycoddle them. People who are scared of words should learn to understand context better.
While virtually every example of countries that have universal health care are capitalist, I wouldn't call it capitalist in nature. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm certainly no expert, but that's not what I learned in economics.
Capitalism simply refers to a economic system where the means of production are controlled privately and operated for profit. It says nothing about who owns the services.
Capitalism as strictly defined has been shown to be capable of, but by no means garranteed to, increasing the wealth and material means of a substantially developed society faster than other economic systems over periods of a few decades or longer. That is really it’s sole justification. However, in the US, sober accessmemt and justification of capitalism has given way to idealistic glorification of capitalism. What is more, once clear headed view of what is capitalism and what its strict benefits are has given way to a muddleheaded, quasi-religious glorification of a amorphous ideal of capitalism, all sorts of people seeks to justify all kinds of self serving practice detrimental to overall heath of the society by invoking the elastic shield of “capitalism”, just like the Catholic Church defends practices aimed at furthering its own wealth and power with doctrines of faith.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 2:39 pm
There is more to Marxism than just economic policies. It's also about undermining and/or eliminating the role of "bourgeois" social structures and institutions such as marriage, family, church, and local community organizations in favor of a uniform notion of what constitutes the good life for individuals and the betterment of society that is ultimately enforced by a centralized authority.
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RE: Uber Pay Gap
February 8, 2018 at 3:07 pm
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(February 8, 2018 at 2:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Shell B Wrote: It's not my job to mollycoddle them. People who are scared of words should learn to understand context better.
While virtually every example of countries that have universal health care are capitalist, I wouldn't call it capitalist in nature. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm certainly no expert, but that's not what I learned in economics.
Capitalism simply refers to a economic system where the means of production are controlled privately and operated for profit. It says nothing about who owns the services.
I know that much (just enough to pass exams, if you will), but wouldn't universal health care or single-payer health care be non-Capitalist by definition?
(February 8, 2018 at 2:29 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: You never hear feminists clamoring about the need to encourage more women to enter mining, construction, and trades that are disproportionately male.
No one should be entering mining.
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