Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

[Cod]

Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women,  not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.  

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct (despite all the biological women they are being unfair to). If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

[Amarok]

And CL right on time "it's obvious " 'they're just being Politically correct " we could set out watches by your rhetoric.

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Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct (despite all the biological women they are being unfair to). If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

And they will whine "it's not bigotry it's about "fairness"  wink wink

[GrandizerII]

And CL right on time "it's obvious " 'they're just being Politically correct " we could set out watches by your rhetoric.

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It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

And they will whine "it's not bigotry it's about "fairness"  wink wink

The OP clearly shows bigotry. Neo doesn't care about women's plight, he was fishing for an excuse to denigrate transgendered/transsexual people and found one.

[Cod]

And CL right on time "it's obvious " 'they're just being Politically correct " we could set out watches by your rhetoric.

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And they will whine "it's not bigotry it's about "fairness"  wink wink

The OP clearly shows bigotry. Neo doesn't care about women's plight, he was fishing for an excuse to denigrate transgendered/transsexual people and found one.

True, and my bet is this will not be the last thread on the subject from him.

[Neo-Scholastic]

First of all, calling Tiffany a 'man' is ignorant.  But it's not surprising seeing who it's coming from.  The Anti-LGBT crowd refuses to recognize anything that isn't their definition of normal.  (Which is mainly talking to an invisible man in the sky who talks back to them sometimes.  Hearing voices in my world isn't normal) Though I suppose it's a good thing they show their ignorance, so we can know to ignore them and their stupidity.  

Secondly, Tiffany Abreu was actually very talented before she transitioned.  She won several trophies before transitioning.  After transitioning, her testosterone levels reached low enough levels for legal competition in the women's league.  She didn't transition because she couldn't compete in the men's tournament.  She transitioned because she was born the wrong sex.  If this invisible man of yours really exists, he fucked up royally with Ms. Abreu and all the other transgender individuals in the world.

I see no problem with her competing in the women's league, as long as her testosterone levels have reached the appropriate level.  Whatever advantages she has from her per-transitional period are offset by disadvantages from that same transition.  Ideally, she would have transitioned earlier in life, which would have minimized any advantages she might have.  Of course our good Christian friends don't want that because the idea of transgender people freaks them out.  Just like gay people do--only now they know we're not going to be readily accepting of their hate.  They hope that we'll just accept their transgender hate (because they have to hate someone, right?  How else will they show how Christian they are?)

So how are hormone treatments different from doping? The chemical and surgical methods of transitioning incidentally affect performance or at least artificially pushed him/her into a different league. There are other differences between men and women that are not affected by transitioning such as body morphology. Did she/he transition her elbows as well? Don't think so.

This is just another example of how the Left ruins everything. If this continues kiss Title IX goodbye. While accusing other people of hate may make some feel good about yourself it does nothing to alter reality.

Basic biology, from body size and baldness to sex to chronic illness, affects the lives of everyone. Different people can do some things better than others. Others have natural advantages, like raw intelligence, or high-energy that others do not. The failure to accept natural inequalities and trying to re-engineer reality to match one's feeling about how things should be is personally ridiculous and socially disastrous. Many people with depression "self-identify" as depressed and allow the disease to define them by warping their subjective sense of self. There is nothing loving about "affirming" them as melancholics nor anything helpful about denying that they truly have a medical condition.

[CapnAwesome]

Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women,  not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.

Couldn't you pretty much say the same thing about Serena Williams in women's tennis? Or in the past, Martina Navratilova? I don't follow much of women's sports, so can't think of examples beyond tennis, but man or woman, some players just simply have a huge advantage over others.

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

If she's an abnormally strong woman (which I'm sure she is), then let it be a good motivator for her to beat Fallon Fox next time. Men have to deal with that as well when competing against more powerful men. And by the way, Fallon Fox apparently has lost at least once, so that means it's not impossible for her to be beaten.

Serena Williams isn't like, magically super strong. She's worked her ass off to be that way. It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It's normally non-athletes who think people are just born fit by genetics. Nonsense. Yeah, it helps you get that way with a lot of hard work, but nothing like being born male.

Then why have gender seperation in sports at all? It's a gained advantage from transitioning and those are generally banned in sports, ie, steroids etc.

I mean your exact same argument could be used for steroids, why not allow them since some people are just really strong anyway? It makes no sense and should be illegal.

With combat sports, it's not just a matter of fairness either, the health and safety of someone is at risk. If you are told by well meaning liberals that transitioning turns someone into a woman and there is no difference, then you get into cage with them and they pound your face into the mat, not because of skill they earned through hard work, but because of the undeniable advantage of being born male and going through male puberty, it puts your health at risk.

Trans women competing against biological women makes no sense. It's not a matter of prejudice, it's a matter of fairness in sport, and not allowing unearned advantages.

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First of all, calling Tiffany a 'man' is ignorant.  But it's not surprising seeing who it's coming from.  The Anti-LGBT crowd refuses to recognize anything that isn't their definition of normal.  (Which is mainly talking to an invisible man in the sky who talks back to them sometimes.  Hearing voices in my world isn't normal) Though I suppose it's a good thing they show their ignorance, so we can know to ignore them and their stupidity.  

Secondly, Tiffany Abreu was actually very talented before she transitioned.  She won several trophies before transitioning.  After transitioning, her testosterone levels reached low enough levels for legal competition in the women's league.  She didn't transition because she couldn't compete in the men's tournament.  She transitioned because she was born the wrong sex.  If this invisible man of yours really exists, he fucked up royally with Ms. Abreu and all the other transgender individuals in the world.

I see no problem with her competing in the women's league, as long as her testosterone levels have reached the appropriate level.  Whatever advantages she has from her per-transitional period are offset by disadvantages from that same transition.  Ideally, she would have transitioned earlier in life, which would have minimized any advantages she might have.  Of course our good Christian friends don't want that because the idea of transgender people freaks them out.  Just like gay people do--only now they know we're not going to be readily accepting of their hate.  They hope that we'll just accept their transgender hate (because they have to hate someone, right?  How else will they show how Christian they are?)

So how are hormone treatments different from doping? The chemical and surgical methods of transitioning incidentally affect performance or at least artificially pushed him/her into a different league. There are other differences between men and women that are not affected by transitioning such as body morphology. Did she/he transition her elbows as well? Don't think so.

This is just another example of how the Left ruins everything. If this continues kiss Title IX goodbye. While accusing other people of hate may make some feel good about yourself it does nothing to alter reality.

Basic biology, from body size and baldness to sex to chronic illness, affects the lives of everyone. Different people can do some things better than others. Others have natural advantages, like raw intelligence, or high-energy that others do not. The failure to accept natural inequalities and trying to re-engineer reality to match one's feeling about how things should be is personally ridiculous and socially disastrous. Many people with depression "self-identify" as depressed and allow the disease to define them by warping their subjective sense of self. There is nothing loving about "affirming" them as melancholics nor anything helpful about denying that they truly have a medical condition.

She won several trophies at a c level Belgium volleyball league, and now she went from that to totally dominating a sport at the very highest level and you don't see a problem there?

[FFaith]

Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct (despite all the biological women they are being unfair to). If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

Everything is bigotry nowadays apparently. Don't want to sleep with a woman with a fake vagina? Bigot! That's how absurd things are getting.

[CapnAwesome]

Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct (despite all the biological women they are being unfair to). If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

Well my stance has nothing to do with bigotry and I resent the accusation. It's a concern as an athlete. I'm against this for the same reason I'm against steroids. It's a frustrating conversation to have because people are quick with bigot accusation and know nothing about sports.

[Foxaèr]

Leave Tiffany alone!

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[ErGingerbreadMandude]

It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

Well my stance has nothing to do with bigotry and I resent the accusation. It's a concern as an athlete. I'm against this for the same reason I'm against steroids. It's a frustrating conversation to have because people are quick with bigot accusation and know nothing about sports.

So cap you're the sports expert yeah? Explain to me why discrimination against trans women is ok? Before you say there's an unfair advantage or whatever they actually have certain standards like the level of testosterone or whatever. You know black men have the highest amount of testosterone, right? How is that not an unfair advantage in really any sport. While we're at it let's ban Micheal Phelps from competing again because he has a very particular long torso short legs ratio kind of body that makes it easier to swim. So really where does this "unfair advantage" thing stops? If it is just limited to transsexuals that's kind of bigotry bro. In sports there will always be people that are more gifted than others and guess what trans women doesn't necessarily mean a big hunk with chest for dayz and biceps that go Choo chooooo. In fact, the whole "it's an unfair advantage" comes from that stereotype. So really, the federation of women can't exclude trans women lol and if they insist I'm sure a law will be passed in the future where women don't have to publicize their trans status.