Proposal for the Reformation of the EU Migrant Labour within the United Kingdom

[Skipper]

Plenty of British people have also willingly left to start lives all over Europe. I agree that more could be done to prioritise British jobs to go to the British born population but over all the ability to go and work where we want in Europe IS a great part of being in the EU. But obviously, we are going to have to agree to disagree as you clearly see it another way.

[Cerrone]

Plenty of British people have also willingly left to start lives all over Europe. I agree that more could be done to prioritise British jobs to go to the British born population but over all the ability to go and work where we want in Europe IS a great part of being in the EU. But obviously, we are going to have to agree to disagree as you clearly see it another way.

Weeell let's give it one more go.

I know where you're coming from, but it boils down to choice. People in britain should no more be forced to upsticks and move to Slovakia to work a minimum wage job no more than a slovakian should have to do the same by coming here.

National governments need to prioritise for their own citizens, surely thats an integral part of holding a government office? SURELY you would think. And if government doesnt exist to care for its citizens then what the fuck does it exist for?

[Ashendant]

Plenty of British people have also willingly left to start lives all over Europe. I agree that more could be done to prioritise British jobs to go to the British born population but over all the ability to go and work where we want in Europe IS a great part of being in the EU. But obviously, we are going to have to agree to disagree as you clearly see it another way.

Weeell let's give it one more go.

I know where you're coming from, but it boils down to choice. People in britain should no more be forced to upsticks and move to Slovakia to work a minimum wage job no more than a slovakian should have to do the same by coming here.

National governments need to prioritise for their own citizens, surely thats an integral part of holding a government office? SURELY you would think. And if government doesnt exist to care for its citizens then what the fuck does it exist for?

Well i can point you to
http://forum.yoursay.eu/
Which is a forum about EU politics you probably would have more relevance there

And the answer is that the EU exists in a system of intergovernmentalism while they take care of their citizens in the country they must take care of the citizens abroad, the reason why you don't prioritise is so other governments don't prioritise over their citizens .

[Tiberius]

I propose that in fact, two thirds of all workers within every single place of employment within the United Kingdom MUST be British citizens and long term residents within this country. If a place of business has three employees, then two of them must be British citizens, if the business has three thousand, then two thousand must be British citizens, with the remaining placements being permissible for migrant labour.

...can you say...BNP Supporter?

Stop blaming migrant workers for all the problems in the country. Companies can hire whomever they want, and government should stay out of it.

[Cerrone]

...can you say...BNP Supporter?

Stop blaming migrant workers for all the problems in the country. Companies can hire whomever they want, and government should stay out of it.

You are kidding right? BNP? Did you even bother to read what I wrote or did you just see the word "migrant" and automatically flip the stereotype switch?

As for letting companeis hire whoever they want, isnt that like letting an axe murder be in charge of box of kittens?

[Tiberius]

You are kidding right? BNP? Did you even bother to read what I wrote or did you just see the word "migrant" and automatically flip the stereotype switch?

No, I read your rant and was immediately reminded of some BNP propaganda I once read in disgust. You seem fixated on the idea of "British" workers having priority on jobs, when the market is global and we are part of the EU, a place where jobs are shared for the benefit of trade. You are in favour of forcing companies to hire people based on where they come from, which I think is ludicrous. Out of sheer coincidence, one of my favourite YouTubers uploaded a video on this matter (though he was dealing with illegal immigrants in the US):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNsMZSqLUmU

As for letting companeis hire whoever they want, isnt that like letting an axe murder be in charge of box of kittens?

Are you suggesting that axe murderers can't be animal lovers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist pointing out the flawed nature of your attempted analogy. No, I think letting companies hire whomever they want is part of what makes the free market great. People are generally hired based on the skills they provide, which is how it should be in a salary based system, and in a wage based system, people are hired based on the amount they are prepared to work for (which is controlled by the employees).

I'm not seeing any of the problems you claim to see...perhaps you should elaborate.

[lrh9]

I think it would make more sense for all laborers to act collectively. Assuming laborers act collectively, it makes no sense for laborers to compete against each other for jobs as long as there are other resources for them to tap into which can be shared to the benefit of all laborers. There are some very large resources out there in the world, and the laborers could unionize, politicize, and band together and with the appropriate action take those resources.

[Cerrone]

No, I read your rant and was immediately reminded of some BNP propaganda I once read in disgust. You seem fixated on the idea of "British" workers having priority on jobs, when the market is global and we are part of the EU, a place where jobs are shared for the benefit of trade. You are in favour of forcing companies to hire people based on where they come from, which I think is ludicrous.

I'm not seeing any of the problems you claim to see...perhaps you should elaborate.

No YOU are fixed on the idea of "british" workers, I said that IT IS ONLY SANE that a government looks first to care for its OWN PEOPLE over that of others and we EXPECT ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT TO DO THE fucking same.

The problem to which my "rant" (which made into parliament you may be amused to hear) is focused on it mass unemployment in the UK which IS A REALITY and NEEDS FIXING, and you can throw all the multicultural bullshit you like at the problem because for all the merits of "world market" and cultural assimiliation, it doesnt matter to the people in charge of it, that's NOT why THEY encourage it. It's so they can make a PROFIT off YOUR suffering. Plain and simple. And if you can't see that or jump to accuse ME of "BNP" propaganda then you need need a fucking crack on the jaw to wake the fuck up.

Or better yet, wait until you're directly affected by unemployment and see how quickly your alturism kicks in.


EDIT and i never even mentioned illegal immigrants, nor consider them to be the problem, so stop trying to use them to disprove[/i]

[Ashendant]

Or better yet, wait until you're directly affected by unemployment and see how quickly your alturism kicks in.


EDIT and i never even mentioned illegal immigrants, nor consider them to be the problem, so stop trying to use them to disprove[/i]

So you're totally ignoring the real problem in favour of taking a "not-a-problem" into light.

The other countries also have to obey the law of the EU which means that the British can get work everywhere in the EU, if you take that priority from others they will probably want to take that from you, it's simple math, and a lot of British workers benefit from EU laws

[Tiberius]

No YOU are fixed on the idea of "british" workers, I said that IT IS ONLY SANE that a government looks first to care for its OWN PEOPLE over that of others and we EXPECT ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT TO DO THE fucking same.

There is no need to type in ALL CAPS. I'm just defending my position, which is that your rant came across as similar to that of some BNP propaganda I've read. You didn't have to be insulted by that; a poll done last year showed that quite a few people agree with some of the BNP policies, and evidently this is one area where you and the BNP are synced.

Yes, it is only sane that a government looks after its own people before others, but I fail to see how they aren't doing that. The government is currently providing healthcare to citizens, allowing them to vote, and passing laws that try to guarantee their safety. These are all social issues, and I'm fully in support of them. What I do oppose is the government getting involved in business, since this is private sector, and as such expands across the entire globe, not just in the UK. Put simply, the government has no right telling businesses who they can and cannot hire; businesses do this themselves in a way that is good for the business (i.e. increases profit, creating more jobs, etc).

Believe it or not, but increasing profits for a business is a good thing, because it means that that business can afford to hire more people, and thus increase their productivity, once again increasing profits (it's a lovely cycle). If a business is suddenly forced to hire people according to where they come from, as opposed to who will be more profitable for the company, then this is very bad for business. Growth may slow, or be stunted completely, and then you are left with the same unemployment problem you have before.

The problem to which my "rant" (which made into parliament you may be amused to hear) is
focused on it mass unemployment in the UK which IS A REALITY and NEEDS FIXING

Indeed, but the way to fix mass unemployment isn't to force companies to hire specific people. Think about it...your solution doesn't create any new jobs, so you have the same amount of jobs as you did before, but you've shuffled the people around. Unemployment remains at exactly the same number...you've just decreased the amount of British people who are unemployed. Whether those people are actually any good at the jobs, or have job satisfaction is a completely different thing.

and you can throw all the multicultural bullshit you like at the problem because for all the merits of "world market" and cultural assimiliation, it doesnt matter to the people in charge of it, that's NOT why THEY encourage it. It's so they can make a PROFIT off YOUR suffering. Plain and simple.

Actually, they want to make a profit off of people's work. If you are suffering in your job, you can sue the company for negligence, or you can leave. Either thing is bad for the company, which is why companies tend to like to look after their employees. I can only speak from my experience of course; I've worked for a few different companies, and each one looked after me in a very good way, because I had something they needed...my skills.

And if you can't see that or jump to accuse ME of "BNP" propaganda then you need need a fucking crack on the jaw to wake the fuck up.

I think you need a crack on the jaw to wake up if you think that shuffling people around is going to create jobs and solve unemployment...

Or better yet, wait until you're directly affected by unemployment and see how quickly your alturism kicks in.

If I'm ever affected by unemployment, I am safe in the knowledge that I can go anywhere in the EU and work, as Ashendant pointed out. I'll also be safe in the knowledge that because I invested in my education, I have a particular set of skills that are considered very rare in today's business world, and as such are in high demand...so I won't have long to wait.

EDIT and i never even mentioned illegal immigrants, nor consider them to be the problem, so stop trying to use them to disprove

"Stop" trying to use them? I used them once. However, I won't stop using them, because they are arguably comparable in this situation. In America, illegal immigrants are given jobs because they are cheap labour. In the UK, migrants are given jobs because they are cheap labour. See? The only difference is that the UK migrants are legally entitled to those jobs, and you want to take that away from them.

I find it interesting that you don't consider illegal immigrants to be a problem though. So you're fine with taking jobs away from people who have a legal right to them, but you're not really bothered with people who have jobs illegally? Weird.