Proposal for the Reformation of the EU Migrant Labour within the United Kingdom

[Ashendant]

I find it interesting that you don't consider illegal immigrants to be a problem though. So you're fine with taking jobs away from people who have a legal right to them, but you're not really bothered with people who have jobs illegally? Weird.

I wish you have gone to this forum Eu forums And say something, there's this guy that blames unemployment on CIA and Wall street, and i think you could fight his arguments effectively, i can't because i'm not that good at making arguments

[Jaysyn]

It's human nature, when things start going south, to find & exploit differences in cultural groups for political / economic reasons. Being from the US, all I can really add to this particular debate is at least the immigrants you are competing with seem to be of the legal variety. If I'm not mistaken, they pay taxes for social services just like native Britons. A government generally doesn't care where it's taxes come from, as long as they are legal & don't stop coming in.

[Cerrone]

There is no need to type in ALL CAPS. I'm just defending my position, which is that your rant came across as similar to that of some BNP propaganda I've read. You didn't have to be insulted by that; a poll done last year showed that quite a few people agree with some of the BNP policies, and evidently this is one area where you and the BNP are synced.

Regardless of whether the entire population agreed with them, there's still a massive negative conotation when you suggest anybody or anything may be "in sync" with the BNP. They're about as socially acceptable as the Nazi party inside uhh zionist occupied palestine (which i refuse to call Israel). And you're well aware of that.

Yes, it is only sane that a government looks after its own people before others, but I fail to see how they aren't doing that. The government is currently providing healthcare to citizens, allowing them to vote, and passing laws that try to guarantee their safety. These are all social issues, and I'm fully in support of them. What I do oppose is the government getting involved in business, since this is private sector, and as such expands across the entire globe, not just in the UK. Put simply, the government has no right telling businesses who they can and cannot hire; businesses do this themselves in a way that is good for the business (i.e. increases profit, creating more jobs, etc).

Hah riiight; the government allows us basic healthcare which keeps people alive and reasonably fit to engage in the economy, allows us to vote for which of the three useless political parties we hand over our leashes to, and pass laws to keep people passive and maintain the status quo while contradicting the merit of those laws by waging war which encourages terrorism and encouraging economic policies which push people over the poverty line and therefore will be forced eventually to engage in crime.. in one way or another.

Put simply, in a time of crisis the government needs to lay out reasonable guidelines for businesses and corporations for the benefit of the citizens, because the guidelines business and government have agreed to are driving people into ruin and leaving them powerless to do anything to help themselves.

Believe it or not, but increasing profits for a business is a good thing, because it means that that business can afford to hire more people, and thus increase their productivity, once again increasing profits (it's a lovely cycle). If a business is suddenly forced to hire people according to where they come from, as opposed to who will be more profitable for the company, then this is very bad for business. Growth may slow, or be stunted completely, and then you are left with the same unemployment problem you have before.

Thats a ridiculous statement- have you ever managed a business? A business may grow but it doesnt ensure it will create jobs and allow them to be sourced from nationally, its more likely in the current scheme of things that if any given business does expand and create jobs that the jobs will be outsourced to migrant workers anyway, because it's CHEAPER and gives them more profit and because it obeys the same 'promotion stunting and disposable employee cycle' I talked about in the original statement. I could open a company today and put a thousand people on the payroll, but it wouldnt do the people of britain any good if I followed the practise of other business owners and decided to favor disposable migrant workers over existing citizens.

Either thing is bad for the company, which is why companies tend to like to look after their employees. I can only speak from my experience of course; I've worked for a few different companies, and each one looked after me in a very good way, because I had something they needed...my skills.

If only.

I find it interesting that you don't consider illegal immigrants to be a problem though. So you're fine with taking jobs away from people who have a legal right to them, but you're not really bothered with people who have jobs illegally? Weird.

So you're totally ignoring the real problem in favour of taking a "not-a-problem" into light.

It's a subject for another conversation, of course I consider illegal immigration to be a problem, but its an enitrely different problem to the one we're discussing now; which is that quite legally government and business encourage employing migrant workers over british citizens.

Illegal immigration will happen anyway, and there's not much anyone can do about it... two solutions would be to close the borders altogether or run propaganda campaigns directed at "immigrants" to put regular people and business owners off of the idea of dealing with them. But the cause of the problem is within the former soviet satelitte states in eastern europe whose economic prospects have taken a nose dive since embracing western capitalism, and to fix that problem it's up the people of those countries, and its certianly not going to be fixed while the young and skilled workers disappear overseas and waste their potential making a few £'s in another country while their homes continue to degrade- and sending money back home just doesnt work, it just creates dependency and will never make them independent and able to to change their economies around.

It's human nature, when things start going south, to find & exploit differences in cultural groups for political / economic reasons. Being from the US, all I can really add to this particular debate is at least the immigrants you are competing with seem to be of the legal variety. If I'm not mistaken, they pay taxes for social services just like native Britons. A government generally doesn't care where it's taxes come from, as long as they are legal & don't stop coming in.

We already exploit migrant workers anyway, if anything curbing their exploitation here will make them more active at home, as i said, to it'd be in their benefit in a way as well. And you're entirely right about them being 'legal' in the UK, that is the whole point about what makes it such a problem for us.

[Ashendant]

We already exploit migrant workers anyway, if anything curbing their exploitation here will make them more active at home, as i said, to it'd be in their benefit in a way as well. And you're entirely right about them being 'legal' in the UK, that is the whole point about what makes it such a problem for us.

So essentially you want to go back in time and fight progress?