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Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 8:36 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: FSM Isn't welsh but greatly enjoys greatly a nice slice of caerphilly from time to time.

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Since huggy diapers has me on ignore, Don't forget to ask him what these hanging things are

They look like lights.  Would be a great place to hang christards.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 8:56 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 8:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: FSM Isn't welsh but greatly enjoys greatly a nice slice of caerphilly from time to time.

RAmen
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Since huggy diapers has me on ignore, Don't forget to ask him what these hanging things are

They look like lights.  Would be a great place to hang christards.

o.O.....That's a bit much but yes they are lights
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 8:58 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 7:41 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Succubus Wrote: 1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)

3 doesn't follow. You'd have to add that God is the creator of the universe by definition as well. Otherwise God is just some immaterial being that exists, and there's no reason to believe he's required for the universe.

What are you talking about? First, 3 does not follow from any other premise--it is a premise. Second I included the reasons for 3 (from Occam's razor, PSR). Occam's razor because why would we posit two eternal beings (God and the universe) when only one is necessary and the Principle of Sufficient Reason gives us very good grounds to believe that anything that does not exist necessarily must have a reason for its existence.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:04 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 8:58 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 7:41 pm)Hammy Wrote:

3 doesn't follow. You'd have to add that God is the creator of the universe by definition as well. Otherwise God is just some immaterial being that exists, and there's no reason to believe he's required for the universe.

What are you talking about? First, 3 does not follow from any other premise--it is a premise. Second I included the reasons for 3 (from Occam's razor, PSR). Occam's razor because why would we posit two eternal beings (God and the universe) when only one is necessary and the Principle of Sufficient Reason gives us very good grounds to believe that anything that does not exist necessarily must have a reason for its existence.

The universe clearly exists, and God violates the PSR.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:43 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: FSM Isn't welsh but greatly enjoys greatly a nice slice of caerphilly from time to time.

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Since huggy diapers has me on ignore, Don't forget to ask him what these hanging things are

I thought Huggy was impervious to mockery, what the flying fuck did you say that he put you on ignore?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:45 pm (This post was last modified: March 8, 2018 at 9:47 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 8, 2018 at 8:07 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 8:02 pm)Hammy Wrote: FSM is Welsh. And a female.


*SHE'S

Damn S key.

In many ways, FSM is anything we need it to be, Of all creeds, races, genders and yogurt flavors.  FSM appears in ways we know best so for me with a Scottish accent and playing the accordion and to you Welsh, female and possibly nude.

Considering I recently had a wisdom tooth out.... I could really do with some yogurt right now. Since yogurt doesn't 'urt.

Possibly?! Are you having a laugh?! More like DEFINITELY and sucking my redacted real real good until I redacted real real hard all over her pasta face.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:46 pm
Principle of Sufficient Reason. Another beauty.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:51 pm (This post was last modified: March 8, 2018 at 9:53 pm by Nay_Sayer.)
(March 8, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: FSM Isn't welsh but greatly enjoys greatly a nice slice of caerphilly from time to time.

RAmen
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Since huggy diapers has me on ignore, Don't forget to ask him what these hanging things are

I thought Huggy was impervious to mockery, what the flying fuck did you say that he put you on ignore?

(March 8, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You mean as if the photo was taken from a different angle? Well I, FSM and science can't explain that one.  Bulletproof.

I'm calling either brain damage or poe.

What angle? Like from under his ballsack? Never mind there are no other lights in the picture...

Why am I even discussing this with you? you think the guy that did the investigation failed to rule out the lights? His 'supernatural' would of been embarrassing if that was the case.

So please shut up and go sit down somewhere.

Basically, I told him his photo of ceiling lights...was a photo of ceiling lights.  However that feels cheap and I like to earn my keep so if anyone asks, Tell them I called him a sniveling twat.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 9:51 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Succubus Wrote: Principle of Sufficient Reason. Another beauty.

Is that the one that says ‘all things need a reason, because. They do. Don’t ask why, they just do’?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 8, 2018 at 10:04 pm (This post was last modified: March 8, 2018 at 10:07 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 8, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Succubus Wrote: Principle of Sufficient Reason. Another beauty.

I'm a Schopenhauer guy Big Grin

Kant +Schopenauer + Husserl + Russell + Popper + Camus=happiness
(March 8, 2018 at 9:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Succubus Wrote: Principle of Sufficient Reason. Another beauty.

Is that the one that says ‘all things need a reason, because. They do. Don’t ask why, they just do’?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Fou...ent_Reason

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I fucking love Schopenhauer. He's so deliciously depressing. He's like a cure for optimism.

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