islam religon of peace?

[Thor]

The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death (if they say it publicly).

If they say WHAT publicly?

And does this apply to ANYONE, or does it only apply to Muslims?

And what a lovely law you have there! Death for committing "apostasy". In other words, you are killed for renouncing a religious faith. So if you use your intellect, logic, reason and common sense, and conclude that the concept of a god is ludicrous, you are killed for it! Incredible! How does not believing in your religion harm another person or society? This is the absolute quintessence of an unjust and absurd law!

But at least the punishment might save them from burning in Hell for eternity, which is infinity times worse than getting killed.

Oh, gee. How wonderful of you. You are willing to kill me in order to save me from burning in hell for eternity. This puts you on the same level as the assholes who burned "heretics" in the Middle Ages. They, too, believed that burning someone to death may spare the condemned an eternity in hell. Never mind the horror of being burned alive for a "crime" that has no victim.

Don't you even think for a second about what you're doing here? What if there is no god? (And I'd say the odds of that are much greater than a deity actually existing). Then you (and people like you) are executing innocent people who did nothing wrong! In fact, YOU are the one who is wrong!

You tell us that DEATH is the penalty for "apostasy" in Islam. Then you want to tell us how "peaceful" your religion is.

Your religion is oppressive, backward and misogynistic. The world would be a much better place without it.

[Skipper]

Do you know what does murted means ?
Could you dare to tell me what is the punishment for apostacy?

The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death (if they say it publicly).
But at least the punishment might save them from burning in Hell for eternity, which is infinity times worse than getting killed.

The second your religion decides it's ok to kill someone who dare speak out against you then you loose the ability to claim it as a peaceful religion. Peace is incompatible with the permitted killing of someone who dosen't agree with you and decides your religion and god are bullshit. Also on a side note another reason why Islam clearly is not compatible with the free world. The fact that you see the killing of them a possible good thing as it might save them from a "hell" that we have no proof exists says so much about Muslims mind sets, it's scary.

The quaran contains so many violent and evil verses that you claim are taken out of context. If Islam was truly about peace and the word of god surely there would be no room for misinterpretation? Surely a being so powerful and all knowledgeable would have made sure the message of peace was unmissable.

If it was peaceful you wouldn't have thousands of Muslims at protests burning flags and effigies of people and calling for the death of cartoonists who did nothing more than draw a cartoon of their prophet. Either Islam is evil or a large portion of the followers are fucking evil idiots.

[annatar]

Do you know what does murted means ?
Could you dare to tell me what is the punishment for apostacy?

The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death (if they say it publicly).
But at least the punishment might save them from burning in Hell for eternity, which is infinity times worse than getting killed.

question was "Is islam religion of peace?" I guess we all have the answer. Killing people just because they dont believe in a sadistic god and his pervert prophet, has nothing to do with peace.

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The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death (if they say it publicly).

If they say WHAT publicly?

And does this apply to ANYONE, or does it only apply to Muslims?

And what a lovely law you have there! Death for committing "apostasy". In other words, you are killed for renouncing a religious faith. So if you use your intellect, logic, reason and common sense, and conclude that the concept of a god is ludicrous, you are killed for it! Incredible! How does not believing in your religion harm another person or society? This is the absolute quintessence of an unjust and absurd law!

its only to ex muslims like myself..
That is why I said ;

islam is as peaceful as any mafia organisation. Once you join there is no way out...

[Rayaan]

Yeah, maybe it's wrong to say that Islam is a religion of "peace." But it's more like, Islam is the religion of the one true God.

Either Islam is the true religion or all religions are false, because it is the last and final religion. It only tells us to worship the one true God and not Jesus Christ or anyone else. If you think that Islam is a false religion, then you should first point out a single historical evidence or report which says that the Prophet (pbuh) was a dishonest person or that he wrote the Quran himself. But so far, no scholar or intelligent person has ever been able to do this according to my knowledge. For the past two years I was researching many things about the Quran and looking into the scientific facts in the Quran and I didn't find any reason to believe that such a great work of Arabic literature could be written by a single human being who lived 1,400 years ago in the desert. How could he be so successful and gain so many followers if he was just spreading falsehoods? All the things I've that I've read about the Prophet (pbuh) and the Quran has led me to believe that what he has given to the world can only be a revelation from God.

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him." (Surah 3:85)

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion." (Surah 5:3)

The True Religion:
http://www.beautifulislam.net/tellmemore...ligion.htm

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I think it is unfair to summarily judge Islam and in fact, any religion.

Not to mention bigoted and ignorant.

Religions reflect the times and and cultures which invent them. Without exception, every believer (in the Abrahamic faiths at least) cherry picks the emphasis of their faith. This is unavoidable due to the stark contradictions contained in the Torah,the New Testament and the Qur'an. The emphases people choose reflect the context of their lives, their fears, their hopes and their character.

Christians have the hateful Fred Phelps, The Happy Clappy churches with their fatuous prosperity theology,and The Quakers with their pacifism. Most Christians I've met in my lifetime are just ordinary people who want a nice life. For the most part they mind their own business. The same goes for the hundreds of Muslims I met whilst living in a Muslim country.

There is a vast difference between the ultra conservative Muslims of the Gulf States and say SE Asian Muslims,of which there are several hundred million.


I do not now and have never accepted the anti-Muslim hysteria which has made Islam the bogey man de jure, replacing the Communists. What I see most in diverse reports is confirmation bias.

Show me your idea of heaven and I will show you what is missing from your life (anon)

[Thor]

Yeah, maybe it's wrong to say that Islam is a religion of "peace."

Glad to see you admit it!

But it's more like, Islam is the religion of the one true God.

And what makes you think your deity is any more real than other people who claim their religion pays homage to the "one true god"?

Either Islam is the true religion or all religions are false

Well, Islam is not "the true religion", therefore....

If you think that Islam is a false religion, then you should first point out a single historical evidence or report which says that the Prophet (pbuh) was a dishonest person or that he wrote the Quran himself.

I have a better idea... why don't YOU provide some evidence that your deity truly exists?

But so far, no scholar or intelligent person has ever been able to do this according to my knowledge.

Can you find a single historical report that says Joseph Smith was dishonest, or that he wrote the Book of Mormon himself? I'll bet you can't! And Jospeh Smith lived less than 200 years ago in a society that was highly literate and kept written records. Yet you expect us to find some historical evidence that your prophet was dishonest when he lived well over a thousand years ago in a mostly illiterate society? If you want to use this tactic, you should be a Mormon because there is more reason to believe in their prophet than in yours.

For the past two years I was researching many things about the Quran and looking into the scientific facts in the Quran and I didn't find any reason to believe that such a great work of Arabic literature could be written by a single human being who lived 1,400 years ago in the desert.

Please share some of these "scientific facts" that are in the Koran. Does it tell us how to harness nuclear power? Does it tell us how to build an airplane? Does it explain why earthquakes occur?

How could he be so successful and gain so many followers if he was just spreading falsehoods?

Are you kidding? There have been many charismatic men (and women) who have spread falsehoods and attracted legions of followers! Ever hear of Jim Jones?

All the things I've that I've read about the Prophet (pbuh) and the Quran has led me to believe that what he has given to the world can only be a revelation from God.

What was revealed that could only possibly have come from an omnipotent deity?

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him." (Surah 3:85)

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion." (Surah 5:3)

Koran verses.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Now explain why your deity only revealed himself to the Arab world. Why didn't he reveal himself to people in Asia? Southern Africa? Europe? Australia? The Pacific islands? Scandanavia? Wouldn't he want to reveal himself to all the people of the world? Why restrict himself to Arabs? Unless, of course, the whole story surrounding this deity is utter crap.

[Tiberius]

Either Islam is the true religion or all religions are false, because it is the last and final religion.

No, that's just a very bad use of logic. Islam itself makes the claim to be the last and final religion, and you make the assumption that this claim is true in order to come up with your false dichotomy.

Why is it a false dichotomy? It is because there are far more than two options when you remove all the assumptions from the picture. The only true dichotomy here is "Either Islam is the true religion or it isn't the true religion." Anything else is placing unfounded assumptions into the picture; for instance, Islam could be the one true religion, or Christianity could be, or Judaism, or none of them, or a religion that is yet to come about, or a religion that died out aeons ago and is completely unknown to modern day humanity.

Any of those possibilities are likely when you remove the assumption of "Islam is the last and final religion". Furthermore, it is demonstrably false that Islam is the "last and final religion", since in the 1,400 years it has been around, multiple religions have come about; some of them lasting a lifetime, some of them lasting longer.

[annatar]

But it's more like, Islam is the religion of the one true God.

And what makes you think your deity is any more real than other people who claim their religion pays homage to the "one true god"?

His delusions...

[Rayaan]

I'll get to the better parts in a separate thread but nevertheless thanks for all the replies. Hopefully, the truth will stand out to those who are the most intelligent.

[tackattack]

perceived truth in the realm of beliefs have little to do with intellegence