Porn Stars, Playmates, and Christian Politics

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah they keep going at it that Christianity is "being persecuted" by the media who wants to turn US into immoral country - well if this Trump is moral then you need to change your morality book.



It really seems that they don't know what persecution is, because telling facts or joking or even ridiculing Christianity is not persecution. I mean if you can destroy something with a joke or a fact then that should not have existed in the first place.

[The Valkyrie]

Evangelicals and conservatives just love playing the persecution card.

Point out their hypocrisy and they'll play it every time.

[Anomalocaris]

But the book of profits did say “varily christard had payed up with every piece of hypocritical Iron Age bullshit we peddled to them up to now, for giggles let’s see what they do with this trump thing.”

[Minimalist]

Or, they could be uptight, sexually-repressed shits just like the muslims.

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/a.../42045.htm

America's Bible Belt states indulge in more online porn than other less religious states

[The Grand Nudger]

But the book of profits did say “varily christard had payed up with every piece of hypocritical Iron Age bullshit we peddled to them up to now, for giggles let’s see what they do with this trump thing.”

Well, for $5 it could say that. 

[Neo-Scholastic]

I know others make a big deal about character but I don't see the personal lives of politicians having a whole lot of effect on actual governance. Bill Clinton was a lecher but was still a pretty good president. Newt Gingrich treated his wives despicably and yet proved to be one of the most effective House Speakers ever. LBJ's personal racism didn't seem to affect his civil rights agenda. JFK's multiple affairs didn't hinder America's space program. How people vote and who they support is not a simple calculus. The best of men are men at best.

[Brian37]

Yeah they keep going at it that Christianity is "being persecuted" by the media who wants to turn US into immoral country - well if this Trump is moral then you need to change your morality book.



It really seems that they don't know what persecution is, because telling facts or joking or even ridiculing Christianity is not persecution. I mean if you can destroy something with a joke or a fact then that should not have existed in the first place.

I wouldn't put it like that.

Christians can be and certainly ARE persecuted, just not in America. They are in the Middle East. 

But minorities like Muslims who live in America have far more to worry about living here. But even gay believers in both religions have a hard time in both geographies. 

Hindus and Buddhists have attacked Muslims in their countries. 

"Persecuted" is a geography thing, not a label thing. Labels certainly are used to justify it, but humans are tribal and don't like their social norms upset. In the west we have a longer time keeping a leash on religious tribalism. But even today we are not perfect about it.

Any religion can be used as a weapon. But, majority vs minority is geographical. 

The divisions even under the same umbrella labels exist too. You cant get a coastal liberal Christian to agree with a middle America red state Christian,.

But I do agree, the conservatives in America are fucking crybabies. The Christians who live in Islamic countries have far more to bitch about.

[Minimalist]

I know others make a big deal about character but I don't see the personal lives of politicians having a whole lot of effect on actual governance. Bill Clinton was a lecher but was still a pretty good president. Newt Gingrich treated his wives despicably and yet proved to be one of the most effective House Speakers ever. LBJ's personal racism didn't seem to affect his civil rights agenda. JFK's multiple affairs didn't hinder America's space program. How people vote and who they support is not a simple calculus. The best of men are men at best.

That's fine for us atheists....but for these supposed moral paragons it is hypocrisy of the worst kind.  But hypocrisy has never been a big problem for them.

[brewer]

For what it's worth, I think it absolutely is hypocrisy. 

I don't have a problem with those who begrudgingly voted for Trump because they saw him as the lesser of 2 evils. I may not agree with their decision, but it doesn't effect their character to me. 

But I find myself very frustrated with those who value Christian principles but then actually claim Trump somehow represents Christian principles. From what it seems, Trump represents nothing but himself, and is for nothing but himself. There is nothing more anti Christian than that.

I don't think they are claiming he has values/principles, but they support him because (for christian political power) he is willing to push the christian nation agenda. 

Kinda of like making a deal with the devil. Be careful christian america, you may be at the crossroads selling your soul.

[Catholic_Lady]

I know others make a big deal about character but I don't see the personal lives of politicians having a whole lot of effect on actual governance. Bill Clinton was a lecher but was still a pretty good president. Newt Gingrich treated his wives despicably and yet proved to be one of the most effective House Speakers ever. LBJ's personal racism didn't seem to affect his civil rights agenda. JFK's multiple affairs didn't hinder America's space program. How people vote and who they support is not a simple calculus. The best of men are men at best.

You make a good point that its not a simple calculus, and I try not to judge too harshly.

My issue is with devout Christians dismissing Trump's actions and/or acting as though he's some sort of righteous Christian man.

If someone supports Trump because they genuinely feel he is decent at doing his job as president (personal life asside), and that's all that matters to them, I can be okish with that.

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I know others make a big deal about character but I don't see the personal lives of politicians having a whole lot of effect on actual governance. Bill Clinton was a lecher but was still a pretty good president. Newt Gingrich treated his wives despicably and yet proved to be one of the most effective House Speakers ever. LBJ's personal racism didn't seem to affect his civil rights agenda. JFK's multiple affairs didn't hinder America's space program. How people vote and who they support is not a simple calculus. The best of men are men at best.

That's fine for us atheists....but for these supposed moral paragons it is hypocrisy of the worst kind.  But hypocrisy has never been a big problem for them.

I can see Min's point here as well. We should hold devout Christians to a higher standard.

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For what it's worth, I think it absolutely is hypocrisy. 

I don't have a problem with those who begrudgingly voted for Trump because they saw him as the lesser of 2 evils. I may not agree with their decision, but it doesn't effect their character to me. 

But I find myself very frustrated with those who value Christian principles but then actually claim Trump somehow represents Christian principles. From what it seems, Trump represents nothing but himself, and is for nothing but himself. There is nothing more anti Christian than that.

I don't think they are claiming he has values/principles, but they support him because (for christian political power) he is willing to push the christian nation agenda. 

Kinda of like making a deal with the devil. Be careful christian america, you may be at the crossroads selling your soul.

Yeah, that's dumb too. A "Christian Nation" should start off first and foremost with a president who is honorable and lives his life as a follower of Christ, and with people who arent going to compromise their principles for the sake of politics or power.