Old threads of discussion I have had.

[Mystic]

Convenient it isn't. I'd much rather engage with a Muslim poster capable of actual engagement and able to formulate coherent engagements and actually challenge me. Instead I get you.

You rather a person has no proofs for Islam and just repeats what his scholars fed him, and so you an easily refute, is what you mean.

[The Grand Nudger]

Personally, I'd rather talk to your Imam.  If nothing else, to tell him he's a giant flaming asshole for what he did to this guy I used to know. 

[Mystic]

If there is a person with proofs other then me on these forums, and it becomes manifest and comes on these forums, you will do the same. Because language and unseen, require metaphors and parables.  And God is unseen by definition but still manifest and perceived by the soul in a matter that physical eyes don't comprehend.

Language shouldn't be barrier to the journey, it should be a means to agree, and I very well see why revelation had to freeze a very primordial version of human language to seal revelations.

I see why it had to be Arabic which didn't even have grammar rules at the point let alone agreed upon dictionary, and was archaically oral.  And the sacred meanings of words at their origins are meant stay... and can't be forgotten due to the Quran, no matter how much the dark forces may try.

[FatAndFaithless]

You are disconcertingly unstable. For your own wellbeing please just take a chill pill, get off the internet, go watch some cartoons or something.

[Mister Agenda]

Convenient it isn't. I'd much rather engage with a Muslim poster capable of actual engagement and able to formulate coherent engagements and actually challenge me. Instead I get you.

You rather a person has no proofs for Islam and just repeats what his scholars fed him, and so you an easily refute, is what you mean.

I'd rather they were a little harder to refute, I can't learn from a dialogue that isn't challenging. That's not what I meant at all, and it's the opposite of what I said, you lying weasel.

[The Grand Nudger]

If there is a person with proofs other then me on these forums, and it becomes manifest and comes on these forums, you will do the same. Because language and unseen, require metaphors and parables.  And God is unseen by definition but still manifest and perceived by the soul in a matter that physical eyes don't comprehend.

Language shouldn't be barrier to the journey, it should be a means to agree, and I very well see why revelation had to freeze a very primordial version of human language to seal revelations.

I see why it had to be Arabic which didn't even have grammar rules at the point let alone agreed upon dictionary, and was archaically oral.  And the sacred meanings of words at their origins are meant stay... and can't be forgotten due to the Quran, no matter how much the dark forces may try.

Let's pretend..for a moment, that your choice of words is the only problem.  It would still be a huge problem.  If I started yelling at you in esperanto you might be justified in asking me to speak a language you understand if I wanted to get my point across.

If what I happened to be yelling was "watch out for that bus" you might be a little pissed when the bus hit you and I walked up..and in perfect english..said "told you so, man".

[Mister Agenda]

Do we ever get any real, official, imams or preachers here? I'd love to see if they can do better.

[Mystic]

You rather a person has no proofs for Islam and just repeats what his scholars fed him, and so you an easily refute, is what you mean.

I'd rather they were a little harder to refute, I can't learn from a dialogue that isn't challenging. That's not what I meant at all, and it's the opposite of what I said, you lying weasel.

I know the point you come across was opposite to what I said. I actually believe all the hate towards me is not due to how I communicate, but simple, because I have proven my case.

Everyone in Arabia loved Mohammad and even heard of claims he was going to be a Prophet by others who saw clouds above him that will always share him and follow him along with his scent and not having a shadow. All which can't be magic, especially the shadow by what we know of science now. The Quran counsels Mohammad and says "For it's not you who they deny, but rather the unjust deny God's signs/proofs", and that means he didn't care for being accused as a liar. Sure they called him a liar, but they didn't have anything personal against him.

I don't really care what you guys think of me other than you guys use it as an excuse to avoid the truth.

Character assassination so you don't have deal with the proofs. That's what is frustrating.

And when I didn't have clear coherent way of expressing these proofs, you guys liked me more. But when the proofs became clearer and more details were provided to show each premise,  people began to character assassinate, and just call it all babble.

I didn't understand really fully, why, but I thought about Quran, and Mohammad was not need of psychological council, but this for who follows him in warning and presenting by proofs, so that they don't get disheartened.

And I understand it. So go ahead, call me whatever. It doesn't matter. I know your position is not against me, it's the proofs and signs of God you dislike.

[The Grand Nudger]

 I actually believe all the hate towards me is not due to how I communicate, but simple, because I have proven my case.

You believe many strange things.

[FatAndFaithless]

"Everyone hates me because they know I'm right."