Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions

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I believe you, TD.  It's just that you come off that way.

One last thing here and this is something I recently added into my previous post after your reply.  The paranormal researchers would claim that the scientific method has never demonstrated the paranormal evidence as being fake. They would claim that there is, in fact, testable, repeatable evidence for these phenomena and that skeptics just refuse to accept the evidence. This is yet another reason why I stick with my position in this debate.

In other words, you're sticking with ignorance.  I am not attempting to come off as brash, but that is the honest truth.

If these paranormal researchers had any "actual" evidence, there would be no need for doubt.  That is the truth.  The fact that people do doubt is not due to lack of delving deeply into the so-called "research".  Rather, the research simply isn't up to par with reality.

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One last thing here and this is something I recently added into my previous post after your reply.  The paranormal researchers would claim that the scientific method has never demonstrated the paranormal evidence as being fake. They would claim that there is, in fact, testable, repeatable evidence for these phenomena and that skeptics just refuse to accept the evidence. This is yet another reason why I stick with my position in this debate.

In other words, you're sticking with ignorance.  I am not attempting to come off as brash, but that is the honest truth.

If these paranormal researchers had any "actual" evidence, there would be no need for doubt.  That is the truth.  The fact that people do doubt is not due to lack of delving deeply into the so-called "research".  Rather, the research simply isn't up to par with reality.

But, then again, this is the exact same thing Christians would say, Buddhists would say, and other people who have different views on life.  Given this, how am I to trust anyone?  It's a fact of life that we as human beings limit ourselves to our particular views and deny and dismiss the views of others.  This is just how we as human beings are wired.  That is why I said throughout this topic that people should not limit themselves and should instead conduct full research as well as look into all the objections being addressed.

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In other words, you're sticking with ignorance.  I am not attempting to come off as brash, but that is the honest truth.

If these paranormal researchers had any "actual" evidence, there would be no need for doubt.  That is the truth.  The fact that people do doubt is not due to lack of delving deeply into the so-called "research".  Rather, the research simply isn't up to par with reality.

But, then again, this is the exact same thing Christians would say, Buddhists would say, and other people who have different views on life.  Given this, how am I to trust anyone?  It's a fact of life that we as human beings limit ourselves to our particular views and deny and dismiss the views of others.  This is just how we as human beings are wired.  That is why I said throughout this topic that people should not limit themselves and should instead conduct full research as well as look into all the objections being addressed.

You simply have to understand and come to terms with the fact that a myth is a myth, that a fictional supernatural claim is just that.  

Just because someone believes something to be true and "claims" to have evidence does not make it true on their part. They are simply making unsubstantiated claims.  They can claim this, claim that, claim evidence, but in the end they have not claimed anything relational to reality.

It really is that simple.

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But, then again, this is the exact same thing Christians would say, Buddhists would say, and other people who have different views on life.  Given this, how am I to trust anyone?  It's a fact of life that we as human beings limit ourselves to our particular views and deny and dismiss the views of others.  This is just how we as human beings are wired.  That is why I said throughout this topic that people should not limit themselves and should instead conduct full research as well as look into all the objections being addressed.

You simply have to understand and come to terms with the fact that a myth is a myth, that a fictional supernatural claim is just that.  

Just because someone believes something to be true and "claims" to have evidence does not make it true on their part. They are simply making unsubstantiated claims.  They can claim this, claim that, claim evidence, but in the end they have not claimed anything relational to reality.

It really is that simple.

I could take your argument, turn it around, and make that argument against the skeptics and their claims.  Whether the skeptics have it right or the paranormal researchers have it right is something I guess I will never find out since I have no interest in this research. All I was doing was just coming here and telling the skeptics that perhaps they are wrong and just limiting themselves to their particular views.

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You simply have to understand and come to terms with the fact that a myth is a myth, that a fictional supernatural claim is just that.  

Just because someone believes something to be true and "claims" to have evidence does not make it true on their part. They are simply making unsubstantiated claims.  They can claim this, claim that, claim evidence, but in the end they have not claimed anything relational to reality.

It really is that simple.

I could take your argument, turn it around, and make that argument against the skeptics and their claims.  Whether the skeptics have it right or the paranormal researchers have it right is something I guess I will never find out since I have no interest in this research.  All I was doing was just coming here and telling the skeptics that perhaps they are wrong and just limiting themselves to their particular views.

No, you can't turn it around.  Reality is reality.  Claiming something beyond reality with no empirical evidence is folly of the worst intellectual kind.  Supernatural claims are not realistically based.  They simply aren't.

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I could take your argument, turn it around, and make that argument against the skeptics and their claims.  Whether the skeptics have it right or the paranormal researchers have it right is something I guess I will never find out since I have no interest in this research.  All I was doing was just coming here and telling the skeptics that perhaps they are wrong and just limiting themselves to their particular views.

No, you can't turn it around.  Reality is reality.  Claiming something beyond reality with no empirical evidence is folly of the worst intellectual kind.  Supernatural claims are not realistically based.  They simply aren't.

But I think I can turn around that argument you made just now.  Since I can turn that argument around, then it would follow that I can, in fact, turn around your previous argument as well.

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No, you can't turn it around.  Reality is reality.  Claiming something beyond reality with no empirical evidence is folly of the worst intellectual kind.  Supernatural claims are not realistically based.  They simply aren't.

But I think I can turn around that argument you made just now.  Since I can turn that argument around, then it would follow that I can, in fact, turn around your previous argument as well.

You can turn it around in your own mind to suit your own biased opinions, certainly.

It does not equate to reality, however.

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But I think I can turn around that argument you made just now.  Since I can turn that argument around, then it would follow that I can, in fact, turn around your previous argument as well.

You can turn it around in your own mind to suit your own biased opinions, certainly.

It does not equate to reality, however.

I would actually be presenting the argument both ways here.  I can use that argument in favor of the skeptics but, at the same time, turn it around in favor of the paranormal researchers.  This presents the argument both ways for both the paranormal researchers and the skeptics to keep an open mind and not limit themselves to their particular views.

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You can turn it around in your own mind to suit your own biased opinions, certainly.

It does not equate to reality, however.

I would actually be presenting the argument both ways here.  I can use that argument in favor of the skeptics but, at the same time, turn it around in favor of the paranormal researchers.  This presents the argument both ways for both the paranormal researchers and the skeptics to keep an open mind and not limit themselves to their particular views.

What argument, though?  You certainly speak word salad nicely enough, but you haven't provided anything of value.

What actual argument does the paranormal researcher have that could possibly persuade me in any way to consider his position?  If you've done the research, I'm assuming you have since you are advocating for them so badly, then you should be capable of providing the most amazing arguments that will automatically make me a believer in the paranormal.

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I would actually be presenting the argument both ways here.  I can use that argument in favor of the skeptics but, at the same time, turn it around in favor of the paranormal researchers.  This presents the argument both ways for both the paranormal researchers and the skeptics to keep an open mind and not limit themselves to their particular views.

What argument, though?  You certainly speak word salad nicely enough, but you haven't provided anything of value.

What actual argument does the paranormal researcher have that could possibly persuade me in any way to consider his position?  If you've done the research, I'm assuming you have since you are advocating for them so badly, then you should be capable of providing the most amazing arguments that will automatically make me a believer in the paranormal.

As for actual arguments that can persuade you, it would be no different than coming up with arguments in an attempt to persuade paranormal proponents into being convinced of the claims of skeptics.  It's just not going to work since each side of the debate limits themselves to their particular views.  So, there is nothing I can do here. It's just a futile attempt.

Lastly, I was referring to the argument you just made (2 of them).  Here, I will give you an example.  Your 1st argument was:

"You simply have to understand and come to terms with the fact that a myth is a myth, that a fictional supernatural claim is just that.  

Just because someone believes something to be true and "claims" to have evidence does not make it true on their part. They are simply making unsubstantiated claims.  They can claim this, claim that, claim evidence, but in the end they have not claimed anything relational to reality.

It really is that simple."

I can turn that around by saying:

You simply have to understand and come to terms with the fact that a myth is a myth, that a fictional materialistic claim is just that.  

Just because someone believes something to be true and "claims" to have evidence does not make it true on their part. They are simply making unsubstantiated claims.  They can claim this, claim that, claim evidence, but in the end they have not claimed anything relational to reality.

It really is that simple.

Your 2nd argument was:

"No, you can't turn it around.  Reality is reality.  Claiming something beyond reality with no empirical evidence is folly of the worst intellectual kind.  Supernatural claims are not realistically based.  They simply aren't."

I can turn that around by saying:

"No, you can't turn it around.  Reality is reality.  Claiming something beyond reality with no empirical evidence is folly of the worst intellectual kind.  Materialistic claims are not realistically based.  They simply aren't."

As you can see here, I am presenting the arguments both ways.