The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts

[robvalue]

Okay, well I would hold God to a higher moral standard than humans, not a lower one.

He tortures people who are illogical. That’s absolutely absurd, just stop and think about that. I want nothing to do with such a sadistic, petty maniac.

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PS: the sun burning someone, or them being killed by jumping off a mountain are non-sentient results of cause and effect. If the sun was intelligent and was burning people just because it wanted to, that would be just as absurd and monstrous.

God in the Quran is not an Anthropomorphized entity. You can't attribute human traits to him.
That's the difference of Islam from Christianity. God in Islam is not even drawn for the same exact reason: attribution of human traits to him is Anthropomorphism that is not valid at all.

Is Allah a sentient being, or just some mindless force? Is it choosing to torture when it doesn’t need to?

If it’s supposed to be a means to an end, can’t it achieve the same end another way? If not, where does this arbitrary restriction come from?

What can possibly be achieved by this torture?

[Mystic]

Justice.

[robvalue]

Justice for what? Me not wanting to worship something is such a heinous crime that it can only be balanced by torture? Sounds more like petty revenge from an egotistical crazy person.

[Mystic]

Justice for what? Me not wanting to worship something is such a heinous crime that it can only be balanced by torture?

Yes.

[FatAndFaithless]

Justice for what? Me not wanting to worship something is such a heinous crime that it can only be balanced by torture?

Yes.

Wew lad, just when I thought you hit rock bottom you define a shovel into existence.

[robvalue]

Justice for what? Me not wanting to worship something is such a heinous crime that it can only be balanced by torture?

Yes.

Okay. I didn't know God was such a giant narcissistic attention seeking pussy that can't handle everyone kissing its arse all the time. Even less reason to worship it.

I can't believe the kind of atrocious moral statements that religion can get people to make. This is all nonsense, but the fact that you defend it is really scary.

[Mystic]

Hating God is hating the true nature of goodness. In fact, even hating the means to God, his appointed kings, is hating the true nature of goodness.

And if you choose evil and hate good, you reap what you sow.

[robvalue]

We've reached some sort of critical mass now... I kind of hope we're being trolled.

Can you imagine something more divisive than the idea that people deserve to be tortured for not being part of your group? By all rights I should take that to be the most offensive statement anyone could make towards me. But I find the whole thing so childish that I can't take it seriously enough to have any negative emotions about it. It makes me laugh, in fact.

Would it make someone laugh if I told them they deserve to be tortured for being a Muslim? I highly doubt it. MK used to be a pretty mild mannered, reasonable bloke. But now something very dark is going on. I expect it's the boiling point of cognitive dissonance. I hope one day the monstrous nature of the things he's saying will snap him out of this strange state, and that he will return to a more moderate and tolerant mindset.

[Mystic]

You want to keep goodness abstract, and say it's possible to be good without God. And here I'm not referring to the moral argument, but I'm referring that and more, that goodness is a link to the source and if you hate the means to him and that ones who channel God's light and are truly the light of God in the world, than yes, you can deny goodness having a link to God and say we will act according to some of what we know of God's light (goodness), but ultimately, if goodness emanates from God through his anointed kings and rulers of time, then you not only hate some specific commands and virtues taught by God, you hate the essence of what forms goodness.

No matter how much you try,  the light of God is apparent, the proof of his though hidden behind the clouds, still emanates light to the world, and nothing can exist without the tree of life. The blessed water his throne was upon, the spirit of God hovered over, is the true nature of the inward kingdom of things.

The blessed King who anoints his kings and spreads his light through them, and guides all creation through them, and gives things their proper titles and names through them, is the one who is most worthy to be feared, not human tyrants or any human force or so called super power on earth.

Let me repeat,  if you hate the nature of what goodness truly is,  that is by definition evil, and it's ok to be ignorant of some details, that is fine, but to be antagonistic towards the essence and center of what goodness is, this too much.

Glorified is the Majestic Lord who compassion towards his friends doesn't compel to stop punishing his enemies, and vengeance to his enemies doesn't compel him to not forgive and forbear those who place their trust in Him and his Compassion.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nobody gives a shit about your king without a kingdom. That's the whole reason your cult was created in the first place. One asshole said to another asshole "Hey, I get to be king next!"..and the other asshole said, "nah, fuck you"........

-and here you are, more than a thousand years later.