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 (May 3, 2018 at 2:15 pm)alpha male Wrote:(May 2, 2018 at 9:12 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: By any rational standard, right now, she’s a woman. Exactly, cosmetically altering the body's outward appearance and temporarily altering body chemistry with drugs doesn't change the underlying biological facts.  (May 3, 2018 at 2:32 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 3, 2018 at 2:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: Nope - genome is a rational standard. Twins studies blow away the born that way argument, for both trans and gays. The left only likes science when it favors them. 
I think it is irrelevent whether they were born that way, whether it was purely environmental factors, or whether it's a combination of both.
The bottom line is that for whatever reason, a person IS "that way", and not by choice. A transgender person feels like they are not the sex that they actually are. They are not making it up, or choosing it. It is a legitimate unfortunate condition that they are faced with. I will call a grown adult whatver they want me to call them, even if it doesn't line up with their sex. It's just a matter of respect.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (May 3, 2018 at 2:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think it is irrelevent whether they were born that way, whether it was purely environmental factors, or whether it's a combination of both. Yes, a legitimate mental illness. Quote:I will call a grown adult whatver they want me to call them, even if it doesn't line up with their sex. It's just a matter of respect. To their face? I'd probably call them what they want. But, that wasn't the case here.
A disorder or illness, though I'm not a doctor to understand the differences between the 2 or which one would apply.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (May 3, 2018 at 2:36 pm)alpha male Wrote:(May 3, 2018 at 2:32 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Exactly, cosmetically altering the body's outward appearance and temporarily altering body chemistry with drugs doesn't change the underlying biological facts. Twin studies are only one types of "born that way" studies. You need to educate yourself. Here is a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an...rientation
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(May 3, 2018 at 3:10 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(May 3, 2018 at 2:36 pm)alpha male Wrote: Twins studies blow away the born that way argument, for both trans and gays. The left only likes science when it favors them. Been there, done that. As it says: "Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be attributed solely to genetic factors." 
When the theist refers to my sexual orientation as an illness, s/he shouldn't be surprised when I refer to their religious beliefs as manifestations of delusion.
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