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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 6:56 pm
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(May 7, 2018 at 12:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 12:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
Strawman. I said the entire universe is designed.
You literally said "A rock is not designed, although in the grand scheme of things, since the entire universe is designed, it too is designed." Why would you start with "a rock is not designed", if in fact everything is designed? And how do you identify design if you have nothing to compare it to?
Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA. It is designed. If I saw Mount Rushmore I would know it too was designed. We infer designed based on both specificity and complexity.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 6:59 pm
Man is this guy a pro at word salads or what?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 7:07 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 12:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It is a fallen world as stated in the Bible. The intent of the design is not perfection. Death is part of the design. There is digital code in DNA which proves design. Everything you just said is a lie. DNA is capable of storing information, it is not information in itself. How does it achieve this?
I didn't say it was information. I said information is in DNA, as in, stored in. Read the OP and all my other posts and you would know I knew that fact.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm
CDF47 Wrote:Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA
DNA is only digital in the sense that it has four letters and they appear in pairs. That is not particularly sophisticated unless you think non randomness
equals sophistication. Also it is more accurate to reference it as a cipher rather than a code as the information contained within it is not actually trying
to say anything. Information does not actually have to contain meaning and the information in DNA contains none at all. For all it is is just information
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 6:37 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Was there even the remotest possibility a creationist could have said otherwise in the age of science?
No.
But I still live in the naieve hope of envountering an honest creationist...
Perhaps somewhere there is mason jar somewhere in which there live creationists who honestly never encountered the works and artifacts of the post 1830 world.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 8:34 pm
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(May 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm)surreptitious57 Wrote: CDF47 Wrote:Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA
DNA is only digital in the sense that it has four letters and they appear in pairs. That is not particularly sophisticated unless you think non randomness
equals sophistication. Also it is more accurate to reference it as a cipher rather than a code as the information contained within it is not actually trying
to say anything. Information does not actually have to contain meaning and the information in DNA contains none at all. For all it is is just information
Wrong, it is an instructional code which specifies sequences of 20 letter amino acids into chains hundreds of characters long typically to determine the type of protein which will be produced. These proteins are sometimes molecular machines which have varying functions. This is a functional code.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 10:14 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 6:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA. It is designed. If I saw Mount Rushmore I would know it too was designed. We infer designed based on both specificity and complexity.
How do you infer design based on specificity and complexity? Aren't general and simple things also designed? You told us that DNA and rocks are both designed.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 10:44 pm
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Mount Rushmore only looks designed because it looks like us. And we know we are extraordinarily vain and we have chisels and dynamite.
Even then it just fit the pattern of what we would design because we know ourselves, and fitting the pattern is no proof it actually is designed. For that we need our records. Think about the old man of the mountains. In our vanity we also see an old man in the mountains of Vermont, and the mountain wasn’t designed.
So what is your reason for thinking DNA is designed? You known god and you know him to be a vainglorious molecule that looks like a DNA? You know exactly what tool he has at his disposal?
Or are you falling back on the idiotic god can do anything and so I have no responsibility to demonstrate he actually did any specific thing?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm
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Quote:Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA. It is designed. If I saw Mount Rushmore I would know it too was designed. We infer designed based on both specificity and complexity.
Absurd
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI110.html
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/eandsdembski.pdf
https://ncse.com/library-resource/review...-inference
(May 7, 2018 at 10:44 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Mount Rushmore only looks designed because it looks like us. And we know we are extraordinarily vain and we have chisels and dynamite.
Even then it just fit the pattern of what we would design because we know ourselves, and fitting the pattern is no proof it actually is designed. For that we need our records. Think about the old man of the mountains. In our vanity we also see an old man in the mountains of Vermont, and the mountain wasn’t designed.
So what is your reason for thinking DNA is designed? You known god and you know him to be a vainglorious molecule that looks like a DNA? You know exactly what tool he has at his disposal?
Or are you falling back on the idiotic god can do anything and so I have no responsibility to demonstrate he actually did any specific thing? And looks made specifically by us
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 11:03 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 6:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 12:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You literally said "A rock is not designed, although in the grand scheme of things, since the entire universe is designed, it too is designed." Why would you start with "a rock is not designed", if in fact everything is designed? And how do you identify design if you have nothing to compare it to?
Specified and complex highly sophisticated digital code is in DNA. It is designed. If I saw Mount Rushmore I would know it too was designed. We infer designed based on both specificity and complexity.
Bet somebody had Mt Rushmore on their bingo card. It is inevitable that your type will trot it out as some sort of killer argument. What next? 747 in a junkyard?
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