DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Joods]

It is very obvious. Logic is on our side 100%. They are willfully ignoring what is very clear.

You 'two' should get together sometime.

Oh hell no. It's bad enough one of each is here.

[CDF47]

Sure.

Do you believe in never ending torture of sinners? And if yes, don't you think that eternal hell for finite crime is unfair?

There may be annihilation for many and torture for demons and the devil.

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Sure.

Ev thinks that an energy based meat fairy, which is her soul mate, created our flesh..but not our spirit.  What say you?

I believe the Lord of the Bible created man and our spirit based on Scripture.  He is not considered a soul mate in the Bible, rather He is referred to as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Three entities One God.

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I don't see point in living for eternity. Plus, who told you that God will prolong your life?

I don't see the point in living for a short period of time and then suffering and dying forever. God does not prolong lives. We are eternal beings inhabiting a fleshly body made from star dust and water. Also, eternal life is a commonly held belief by about 80-90% of the world.

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That sounds awful. Mind you there will not be any housework to bicker over I suppose.

If it sounds awful, maybe you're not with your soulmate. Love is the best thing in the whole entire world.

It is true we are made of star dust.  Every element of our body including the iron in our blood.

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It is obvious there is a Creator.  No matter how much you argue with them though, they can not see it or willfully choose just to ignore it.

It is very obvious. Logic is on our side 100%. They are willfully ignoring what is very clear.

I agree.

[Whateverist]

Whateverist: Nope, we are simply blood and gut creatures exactly as we appear to be.  Maybe you are simply underestimating the performance dynamics of a blood and gut creatures fine tuned over the course of billions of years to out compete the competition.

Everena: We are not blood and gut creatures. We have conscious self awareness, intelligence, emotions, attraction to the opposite sex, and a will to live.

Actually we most certainly are blood and gut creatures, that is obvious. We also have conscious self awareness, intelligence, emotions and the other subjective states you named. This is not an either/or issue.

Maybe you will answer my question, since the other two atheists I asked couldn't. What force of nature would care if we had a sex drive and a will to live? The force of nothing with no intelligence?

We have them because those simple creatures which endured and evolved to become what we see today, though of course some organisms which never adopted sexuality have also endured since asexual recreation is also possible. However those which recreate sexually enjoy the capacity to differentiate to better exploit opportunities afforded by the environment. By all means go on thinking it is a gift of the great sky father if you like but surely you understand and would agree with this much.

But if you prefer to think this 'force' of yours would not be capable of constructing matter in such a way that the capacity for organic chemistry could emerge from its inorganic properties, that is your business. I don't think any such force is required but I do think the capacity is present in the physicality of matter for life to emerge from its chemical properties. My inability to prove that now is nothing by comparison with your progress in demonstrating there is any such force involved in the emergence of life.

And this disgusting slutty picture you posted looks nothing like me and no I have not seen the play.

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You sound offended. If your reading of the site rules suggests to you that my mode of expression has violated those rules you should report me.

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It might be helpful for you to lay out what -would- be a valid explanation for all the pain and suffering in the world?  If the only category you can find here..that you would accept, are the articles of your faith..then you are not actually looking for any explanation of all the pain and suffering in the world, and no explanation of all the pain in suffering in the world would be valid to you unless it were a restatement of the articles of your faith.

But you have to hand it to her for challenging us to take responsibility for the pain and suffering in the world.  After all we're not the ones positing an all powerful, supremely loving force.  The lack of explanation isn't our problem, it's theirs.  Obviously.

There is pain and suffering for many reasons.  No force has shown it cares to stop it.

[CDF47]

@Ev
Are you under the impression that you and CDF believe the same things..or...what?

We both know that a creator God exists, we both believe that the soul exists separately from the body, we both believe in reward/redemption and we both believe in eternal life.

Yes, we do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Two twats disingenuously agreeing with each other, lol.

[Bucky Ball]

What lesson is the Jebus god teaching by not providing tasty plants to the millions of starving children ? 
Inquiring minds want to know.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. 
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. 
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? 
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

― Epicurus

[Amarok]

Yes, we do.

No you don't you believe nothing more

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Everena: We are not blood and gut creatures. We have conscious self awareness, intelligence, emotions, attraction to the opposite sex, and a will to live.

We are blood and guts and all those things are a result of the blood and guts

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Maybe you will answer my question, since the other two atheists I asked couldn't. What force of nature would care if we had a sex drive and a will to live? The force of nothing with no intelligence?

Actually they did you simply refused to accept the answer and we do those things because we are creatures

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And this disgusting slutty picture you posted looks nothing like me and no I have not seen the play.

Then tell the mods

[Whateverist]

I'm done.  Yet one more 'enlightened' theist here to rattle that stick around in the bee hive while all at the same time challenging our integrity.  Ho hum.  I've honestly wondered if she isn't drunk posting.

If she isn't trolling for the shits and giggles, you could have fooled me.  Well motivated and intelligent theists do exist but most won't come here and this one definitely is not one of them.

As to Jor's specualtion regarding a link to L'Rik, that definitely seems more likely than being an extension of CDF.  Like Rik this one has no real link to xtianity, likes to make preposterous challenges, and is brutally overconfident while demonstrating no real competence.  

But retread or new idiot, it's all the same to me.  I'm done.

[Bucky Ball]

I believe the Lord of the Bible created man and our spirit based on Scripture. He is not considered a soul mate in the Bible, rather He is referred to as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three entities One God.

No one cares what you believe ... especially someone SO out of step with science. You are not credible ... in any way.

There is nowhere the Bible says that. 
Jesus was a Jew. No Jew would claim equivalence with Yahweh.
Three entities cannot be "one" god. 
Jesus said the Father knew things he didn't. 
That can't be one god. 
It's simply a shit sandwich masquerading as woo.
It's trying to have your cake, and eat it too.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Two twats disingenuously agreeing with each other, lol.

Thing is they’ve both demonstrated they believe in completely different things beyond the idea that a ‘god’ (whatever that is) exists and yet somehow logic is on their side?

This coming from a person that commits several logical fallacies n every post.

Obvious troll is obvious if you axe me.