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DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
CDF47 Wrote:Can anyone answer where the information bearing properties of DNA come from?

Although not knowing the answer to that would not give the slightest weight to your contention (see argument from ignorance), they come from organic chemistry. For instance, RNA strands can form spontaneously under the right conditions (which can be found in nature), and RNA can 'bear information', just not as efficiently and reliably as DNA.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Quote:Non-functional information is Shannon Information.  Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
We need to hurry up and find those respawn points Mathilda.  Then we can camp em and pop reds!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 4, 2018 at 9:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: I, personally, have no trouble in conceptualizing a world in which the facts of biology are true -and- there is a god.

It can certainly be conceptualized but there would still be no reason to ever believe in it... even if an apparently godly being showed up. It just comes back to "Who designed the designer?" "Is it an a superintelligent alien with amazing technology capable of deceiving us?" "Are we living in a simulation?" problem.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 4, 2018 at 9:18 am)Hammy Wrote: CDF47,

I don't accept the premise that DNA can't be explained by natural processes.

But even if I did accept that premise, what makes you think that DNA (or indeed anything) can be explained by unnatural or supernatural processes?

A mind that transcends this universe created it.  The proof is in the creation, in the fine-tuning of the universe and in the information in DNA to the molecular machines in the cell.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 4, 2018 at 10:03 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 4, 2018 at 8:08 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OP: Oh my gosh, this is great! I've never heard this before. How marvelous. It worked, I'm going to convert.

Um............ since I'm new at this I wonder if you can help me. Can you tell me which of the 40,000 plus sects is the right one? I don't think I want to get annihilated and need to get this right the first time. 

Also, do I take the bible (my new found direction for salvation) literally? What do I do when I find contradictions? How am I suppose to resolve atrocities and cruelty?

Believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and be saved.

Wow! I'm convinced!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
CDF47 Wrote:The best idea scientists have about DNA is that it was created by a Creator.  The information in DNA is extremely complex and specific which encodes the eventual instruction of highly sophisticated nano molecular machines and other proteins.  

The best scientists would arguably be the ones in the Academy of Science. Do you really think even a bare majority of them think the best explanation for the origin of DNA is that it was designed? If so, someone has lied to you, and you should be cross with them.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 4, 2018 at 9:21 am)Hammy Wrote:
(May 4, 2018 at 3:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth. 

Got any evidence?

Yes, computer codes always come from a programmer, for instance.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 4, 2018 at 10:05 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 4, 2018 at 8:50 am)Mathilda Wrote: What is "Complex Specified Information" and what function does it have?

CSI is a measure of the quantity of information contained in an item that meets the requirement of being both complex and specified, which shows whether the item is either designed or naturally-occurring.

So Complex Specified information is information that is both complex and specified. That doesn't tell me what it is or what function it has.

- What is the function of complex specified information? (2)

- What does it mean for information to be specified?

- How is the complexity of information measured?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Quote:A mind that transcends this universe created it.  The proof is in the creation, in the fine-tuning of the universe and in the information in DNA to the molecular machines in the cell.
Too bad that's a list a assertions and nothing more
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