DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Angrboda]

By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1:10^164. Just amazing!

Nobody is suggesting that the proteins of life originally formed by randomly combining molecules, which is what you're representing here, and so this calculation is meaningless, irrelevant, and wrong. Just amazing!

[Amarok]

Do i need to point out the Kenyon Dean is a creationist shill . Who has a long history of involving himself in pseudoscience. Who also been called into question by his peers . 

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[Nay_Sayer]

There are over 30 constants of the universe which are fine-tuned, such that if these mathematical figures were off by the most smallest fraction of a percent, life as we know it would not exist. The most finely tuned figure is the cosmological constant (energy density of the vacuum of space) which is fine tuned to an order of magnitude of 1:10^120. If that figure was off by that small a value, there would be no life. To give you an idea of the size of that number, there are approximately 10^80 elementary particles in the known universe and there have been 10^16 seconds since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang approximately 13.8 billion years ago. By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1:10^164. Just amazing!

The probability is actually 1:1 unless you have another universe for us to compare this one too.

RAmen.

[Angrboda]

If highly sophisticated digital code found in DNA does not convince you there is a Designer and Creator, what would?

It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. Your thread title claims that DNA proves the existence of a designer. Even if you consider us unreasonable, it appears that by that standard you have failed to provide the promised proof.

[Quick]

RAmen.

There are only so many people who can pull that off. I legit lol'd

[robvalue]

I'm sorry if God has provided us with faulty brains which can't detect this very obvious code which is supposed to be saving us from annihilation. There's really nothing we can do about that. We can't go get new brains. We could pretend that it convinces us, in order to appease this maniacal being, but would that really impress it? Is it so egotistical that it would rather its creations dishonestly praise this code rather than simply stating their conclusions? Even if I thought this being was real, it can fuck off, if this is the kind of stupid games it wants to play.

Anyhow, this "code" provides no more support to Christianity than it does to any other religion: current, past or future.

Are we really going to have another fifty pages of repeating the same creationist ID claims? Really, what is the point of that? Is this a "last word wins" competition?

[Angrboda]

If we can produce a natural explanation, does god then suddenly vanish?

No, but there is no way to provide a natural explanation to highly sophisticated code in DNA.

You haven't shown that there is no way to provide a natural explanation. If you had, you might have something. Instead, you've got nothing but an empty claim.

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Lol no explanation  you will except 

Because your ID pseudoscience talking heads say it can't be so 

No, because logic says it can't be so.

Produce this logic or GTFO.

[possibletarian]

There are over 30 constants of the universe which are fine-tuned, such that if these mathematical figures were off by the most smallest fraction of a percent, life as we know it would not exist. The most finely tuned figure is the cosmological constant (energy density of the vacuum of space) which is fine tuned to an order of magnitude of 1:10^120. If that figure was off by that small a value, there would be no life. To give you an idea of the size of that number, there are approximately 10^80 elementary particles in the known universe and there have been 10^16 seconds since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang approximately 13.8 billion years ago. By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1:10^164. Just amazing!

There is so much wrong with the fine tuning argument, that even when I was a Christian I refused to use this nonsense.

https://youtu.be/tNp0wtMkE_Y

[Angrboda]

The scientist (Kenyon) who came up with the Biochemical Predestination Theory found his theory impossible after breakthroughs in DNA became apparent.  Experiments showed that amino acids do not have the capability to order themselves into a biological meaningful sequence.  The origin of genetic information caused Kenyon to reassess his biochemical predestination position regarding origins.  Kenyon then went out looking for the source of the biological information in DNA.  Kenyon realized he faced a narrowing set of options.  By the 1970’s most researchers rejected the idea that the information necessary to build the first cells originated by chance alone.

And this proves what exactly? Are you going to assert that abiogenesis and evolution operate by chance alone?

[Ravenshire]

Are we really going to have another fifty pages of repeating the same creationist ID claims?

Probably, considering the source.

Really, what is the point of that? Is this a "last word wins" competition?

Yep. That's why I opted out of arguing with him. He refuses to look at any evidence provided to counter his claims, yet refuses to provide any legit evidence that supports it.