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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:02 am
I think that the faithful have trouble separating their beliefs of how things are with truth statements about how things must be. To them, simply accepting that no design is necessary is tantamount to heresy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:22 am
It betrays a lack of imagination, caused in no small part by sabotage I’m sure.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:25 am
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(June 5, 2018 at 2:39 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 2:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I was just testing the lengths you would go to disagree with me and the truth.
Ah, yes, Christian humility on exhibit along with Christian delusion. disagree with me and the truth.
Sorry to say but, you, being Christian and therefore an pathetic adherent of some of the most disgraceful deceits ever perpetrated by men, would be amongst the least suitable in all human history to opine about truth.
Perhaps more so than with most real people, and perhaps even with some Christians, disagreeing with you would be a good place to embark upon a journey of getting closer to the truth.
That's funny, I feel the same about many atheists.
(June 5, 2018 at 7:21 am)Sal Wrote: (June 4, 2018 at 9:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote: We just disagree on everything. Do you agree that the sky is blue? That is my assertion. Also, water is wet. I will assert that as well.
A broken clock is right twice each day.
Would be nice if an atheist was right once each lifetime. JK.
(June 5, 2018 at 8:42 am)possibletarian Wrote: (June 4, 2018 at 9:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: A design is required because you can't get something/everything from nothing. The universe had a beginning and is fine-tuned based on the most widely accepted scientific theories. It was designed.
None of that answered my questions, your answers seem to be a simply be a dogmatic assertion rather than a conversation.
But lets take one thing at a time, what makes you think the universe came from nothing ?
Hawking calculated infinite curvature at the start of the Big Bang. Infinite curvature means no time, no matter. Everything literally came from nothing. It's amazing.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:29 am
(June 5, 2018 at 10:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 2:39 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Ah, yes, Christian humility on exhibit along with Christian delusion. disagree with me and the truth.
Sorry to say but, you, being Christian and therefore an pathetic adherent of some of the most disgraceful deceits ever perpetrated by men, would be amongst the least suitable in all human history to opine about truth.
Perhaps more so than with most real people, and perhaps even with some Christians, disagreeing with you would be a good place to embark upon a journey of getting closer to the truth.
That's funny, I feel the same about many atheists.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:30 am
(June 5, 2018 at 9:39 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 4, 2018 at 8:25 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My point is you can't get a whole universe from nothing. A design is required.
You can't get a whole God from nothing. A design is required.
Wrong, He is the primordial One. The Super-Intelligence that always was and always will be.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:31 am
Meh, if you say so, but if you;re going to break the rule you just made up then the universe can break it too.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:33 am
(June 5, 2018 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 9:47 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Not true. Why do you say that?
Because you can't say the universe is too amazing to not be designed out of one side of your mouth and say Allah is so amazing that it's ridiculous to say he must be designed out of the other side, without contradicting yourself.
You are right on that account, but universe is made out of temporal events, and many parts and continuous change and there is finite tuning that works to make things like stars and planets, and if it was just off by a bit, and so on and so forth, but most importantly, the universe is not necessarily so, meaning, it's a possible it be one way and it possible it be another and so we lucking out is now explained by billions or even infinite universes existing in parallel with no proof they exist, and it doesn't solve the issue at all. There is no reason to assume if there is infinite universes, they would all have different properties so another way to say this, is the properties in all universes may or may not have the fine tuning... but the question is then, why so lucky?
And if it is made out of temporal events, then it's chain A state -> B state, and no matter how much data can be compatible with infinite time (universe expanding and contracting forever and ever from the past), it's mathematically and logically impossible.
In fact, something like a dollar bill, cannot create the world. IT cannot maintain life and the universe.
And laws themselves have to have implementer, and the movement from A->B to me is obviously due to a mover. Something is moving the universe, keeping all the laws in place, and brought out the design.
The eternal One however is Eternal, absolute, and One. There is no divisions in him, he is the source. He could not have been like this or that, there is only way to be the Absolute Eternal.
Is the same true of Allah (SwT)?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:34 am
(June 5, 2018 at 10:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: Meh, if you say so, but if you;re going to break the rule you just made up then the universe can break it too.
The universe doesn't have a mind it comes from a mind. A Super Mind at that for the super-symmetrical universe.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:36 am
If you say so, but saying so, believing so..and even -being- so doesn;t mean that this was necessarily so.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 5, 2018 at 10:37 am
It is so. The universe doesn't have a mind of it's own to create. The universe and everything in it was created.
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