DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

I'm sure her logic in some alternate dimension is impressive . Her problem is this is not that dimension .

You mean I am not impressive in the atheist dimension? Oh darn.

[Angrboda]

Ev:Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.

There is a common theme to all your questions and that is that if I cannot provide said explanations then yours is the obviously correct one.  As any student of logic and reason, such as yourself, should know, that is an argument from ignorance and the conclusion doesn't therefore follow.  Far from impugning my character and my attitude toward logic, it rather impugns your own.

Ev:I know you wish that were true, but ours is the only logical explanation and deep down, I know you know that too.

Something can be entirely consistent with the facts and still be wrong.  That you think logical consistency is a sufficient safeguard of truth only further impugns your much vaunted abilities.  And as a matter of fact, no, yours isn't the only logical explanation of the various questions proposed.  

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I don't have a specific God. There is one creator God that we all believe in, but because we are all different, people relate to God in the way that makes the most sense to them personally. I did not say I was kicking ass and taking names. I just said you were making false claims about me being proven wrong. A lot of the discussions have come down to just different opinions and beliefs that cannot accurately be judged as right or wrong.

Thank you for the clarification.  That doesn't answer the question asked.  If you were delusional regarding your general beliefs, your experiences, your general competence, your success in this thread here, or any of a number of things you've implied or asserted, how would you know?

Oh my God, maybe I am just your delusion. Maybe I don't even really exist. Or maybe this whole universe is just God's delusion and we just all think we are here.... LOL    

Still not an answer to the question. And I will point out that the answer, whatever yours is, likely has serious consequences with respect to other things you have voiced in this thread.

That you choose to deflect rather than answer the question leads me to suspect you may not even have an answer ready at hand.

[Everena]

 
I don't have a specific God. There is one creator God that we all believe in, but because we are all different, people relate to God in the way that makes the most sense to them personally.

Oh, and having had lengthy discussions with those who conceive of God differently than you do, I find your claim rather implausible, and likely to be suffering from the fallacy of the stolen concept in that your view of God is infected with your prejudices and biases to no less an extant than any other person's conception of God, so your conclusion that God possesses this or that trait or characteristic is therefore unreliable, and, the God you claim to believe in is therefore fundamentally unknowable.  If that is the case, all your blather about God this and God that simply shows that you are both inconsistent as well as not knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes, because that particular version of God makes sense to them. And that is fine. Some people only feel comfortable with a humanlike figure as their God. And the religion they choose is probably the one most likely to help them along in their journey through life. Remember this: Christians, Judaists, Jainists, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists and most New Agers (the vast majority of believers in the world) all believe in a creator God, a soul that exists separtely from the body, and afterlife in a heavenly type place, and reward/redemption. We are all alot more alike than you think.

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An intelligent agent would be required for multiple trials to take place because it takes an intelligent consciuos being to administer numerous trials. And the numbers prove it's impossible that it happened by chance.

Concurrent trials happen without a Creator all the time. You just need a big ocean full of chemicals.

You have no idea what the numbers actually are, so they don't prove anything. Your first failure is assuming that life started with DNA, so you're citing the wrong numbers from the word go.

Everena: Chemicals that came to be how exactly? And why are the chemicals capable of doing such amazing things?

[Anomalocaris]

I'm sure her logic in some alternate dimension is impressive . Her problem is this is not that dimension .

You mean I am not impressive in the atheist dimension? Oh darn.

We are as concerned to hear it as we would be if we were told a lobotomized chimp is unimpressed with our calculus.

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Oh, and having had lengthy discussions with those who conceive of God differently than you do, I find your claim rather implausible, and likely to be suffering from the fallacy of the stolen concept in that your view of God is infected with your prejudices and biases to no less an extant than any other person's conception of God, so your conclusion that God possesses this or that trait or characteristic is therefore unreliable, and, the God you claim to believe in is therefore fundamentally unknowable.  If that is the case, all your blather about God this and God that simply shows that you are both inconsistent as well as not knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes, because that particular version of God makes sense to them. And that is fine. Some people only feel comfortable with a humanlike figure as their God. And the religion they choose is probably the one most likely to help them along in their journey through life. Remember this: Christians, Judaists, Jainists, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists and most New Agers (the vast majority of believers in the world) all believe in a creator God, a soul that exists separtely from the body, and afterlife in a heavenly type place, and reward/redemption. We are all alot more alike than you think.

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Concurrent trials happen without a Creator all the time. You just need a big ocean full of chemicals.

You have no idea what the numbers actually are, so they don't prove anything. Your first failure is assuming that life started with DNA, so you're citing the wrong numbers from the word go.

Everena: Chemicals that came to be how exactly? And why are the chemicals capable of doing such amazing things?

You know, a real education cost money. Are you paying tuition here?

[Everena]

After looking around for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that the designer did not attend an accredited university. It also deserves its money back as its degree in design isn't worth the paper I wipe my ass with!

Everena: What is wrong with the design? You are attracted to other humans aren't you? What would you change? And our world isn't beautiful enough for you? What do you have issues with exactly?

[no one]

Take off those blinders.

[Anomalocaris]

After looking around for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that the designer did not attend an accredited university. It also deserves its money back as its degree in design isn't worth the paper I wipe my ass with!

Everena: What is wrong with the design? You are attracted to other humans aren't you? What would you change? And our world isn't beautiful enough for you? What do you have issues with exactly?

We would make you actually adaquate to the task of critical thinking, for starters.  The world is far worse for the likes of you.

As to our world being beautiful, you are comparing it to what, exactly?

I most certainly am not attracted to you.  And people certainly have lived who are not attracted to anyone.  No one made people attract each other.  Some happen to do, and those who don’t have reduced chances of passing that trait onto their offsprings.  In over a few generations, more do.   There is no place for your designer, intelligent or otherwise.

[Angrboda]

Oh, and having had lengthy discussions with those who conceive of God differently than you do, I find your claim rather implausible, and likely to be suffering from the fallacy of the stolen concept in that your view of God is infected with your prejudices and biases to no less an extant than any other person's conception of God, so your conclusion that God possesses this or that trait or characteristic is therefore unreliable, and, the God you claim to believe in is therefore fundamentally unknowable.  If that is the case, all your blather about God this and God that simply shows that you are both inconsistent as well as not knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes, because that particular version of God makes sense to them. And that is fine. Some people only feel comfortable with a humanlike figure as their God. And the religion they choose is probably the one most likely to help them along in their journey through life. Remember this: Christians, Judaists, Jainists, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists and most New Agers (the vast majority of believers in the world) all believe in a creator God, a soul that exists separtely from the body, and afterlife in a heavenly type place, and reward/redemption. We are all alot more alike than you think.

That doesn't resolve the problem. Once you have asserted the claim you are thereby implying that all descriptions of God are to some extent not a reflection of God's true nature, but rather a reflection of the needs of the individual believer. The task then becomes one of determining how we sort out which of a believer's beliefs about God are in error in that they substitute the needs of the believer in place of the properties of the thing in itself, i.e. God. Given the assumption, that becomes an intractable problem, the only reliable answer to which is that we can't rely upon anyone's beliefs about God, and, God is therefore unknowable and theists, in as much as they claim to know specific things about God, are wrong. In other words, you've pissed in the pool, and your efforts to remove the impurity are unsuccessful (so far).

(God help me if anything along the lines of "all stories are true" makes an appearance in this discussion, but it seems inevitable.)

[CDF47]

Science explains many things well.

Yes it does.

But of gods it has found no trace.

It found His signature in the information of DNA.

[no one]

Did it sign in ACME disapperaing ink?