DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, that is my whole point. Higher intelligence aka God is this "natural" you are all referring to. And again, we are not the ones who believe in magic. We believe that higher intelligence created this universe.

You told us earlier that you didn't believe that, that your meat fairy made this planet and this life out of preexisting material.  Get your story straight. An intelligently designed liar wouldn't be so incompetent.

Mental illness is in everyone's family.

Christ almighty, you mean it's not just yours?  Sounds like the meat fairy really fucked the pooch, then.

[TwoKnives99]

800 pages?

Somebody lock the damn thread.

Except, our Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman  Thread Necromancer Everenna might bring it back to life again

[Bucky Ball]

You argue God designed the Universe as He is the only being capable of such a feat.

How did the Universe come into being? I don't think it magically appeared. Let me introduce to the Big Bang Theory. 

The problem with this moron is that she already believes that space-time has existed and has done so since eternity.  Her God is a species of that space-time, not separate from it or its creator.  The hard part is figuring out where space-time came from originally, but science has some ideas about that.  Once you've cleared that hurdle, the existence of the particulars of our existence are a snap.  Yet she somehow thinks that postulating a temporally eternal God obviates an explanation for space-time, and that once space-time is granted, that a silly ball of energy God is not only useful, but required.  Once you grant space-time as a whole, Occam's razor cuts God off at the knees, regardless of whether we can explain dicks and dayquil or not.

And given Bucky Ball's prior post, I'd like to make a plug for Hanlon's razor.  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

The problems with Lying Everena's nonsense about space-time "always existing" are many. One is that we know that space-time is "distorted" by massive objects and in fact becomes "infinite" at a singularity, (black hole). It is inextricably built into the fabric of this universe, and has specific properties. She has no evidence for any other space-time. What the properties of other universes may be, is yet to be seen. Secondly, (actually her ignorance of this subject shows that she also has never actually studied Comparative Religions .. as theologically "eternal" is not "endless time", but "timelessness" ... thus her concepts fly in the face of the religions she claims to be in synch with, in her ad populum fallacy). None of the major religions (NONE) claim space-time always existed. Secondly, IF her god exists in space-time that existed forever, it has observable properties, which we can measure (relativistic effects). If her god exists in that environment, then ultimate reality remains unexplained, as her god can't be the creator of the very environment it (always) exists in (ie requires). That idea is just stupid ... and theologians and philosophers are well aware of that problem. WL Craig even went so far as to cook up the incredible BS of "non-tensed" time to solve this problem. Everena is a little ignorant nobody, who appears to be unaware of (uneducated in) the general problems everyone knows about in religious thought and philosophy.

[Everena]

"The theory is that the brain is a receiver of our consciousness"
No. Flat out ---- NO.
Once again, Lying Everena has MIS-characterized a scientific article. The article does NOT say what she is claiming.

NO ONE in Neuro-science EVER says that the brain is the "receiver" of consciousness, and she can quote NO SCIENTIST that says that.
Her posted link to PHYS.org, IN THE SECOND sentence, says precisely the opposite.
"that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons"
DERIVES .... (is not "received) and in fact is synonymous with "emerges" (from) which is the current thinking. NOT RECEIVED.

Typical religionist lying woo-woo.

Consciousness emerges. It is not received.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5924785/

Everena: Wrong. They have never proven that consciousness emerges from the brain. If you read the link, it explains that their theory accomodates both spiritual approaches and materialist thought.

From the article: "The origin of consciousness reflects our place in the universe, the nature of our existence. Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neurons, as most scientists assert? Or has consciousness, in some sense, been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?" ask Hameroff and Penrose in the current review. "This opens a potential Pandora's Box, but our theory accommodates both these views, suggesting consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules, protein polymers inside brain neurons, which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organizing processes in the fine scale, 'proto-conscious' quantum structure of reality."
https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html

Additionally, Hameroff has hypothesized from the very beginning, that the brain is merely a receiver of consciousness and the quantum vibrations in the microtubules are being received from outside the body somehow. There are like a million videos of him talking about it on you tube. Here is one that I found in like 2 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkedayxjWvg

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I had shared/mutual experiences that were verified immediately, as I said before. Not only it is very unlikely that we would both be delusional,  it is impossible that we would have the same delusion at the exact same time. So, no cigar for you.

 I think it's sad that you don't trust your own experiences, because that is all life is made up of. And perhaps you are a bit paranoid about them because you have a mental illness. I have a sister with Bipolar Disorder 1, and she has no problem at all differentiating between the delusions she has had and her actual true life experiences. I guess all mentally ill ppl are different.

You believe that you had a shared experience and that the cause of that experience was what you thought it was.  As pointed out before, it could have been folie a deux, sloppy thinking, or you could indeed have had a shared experience that had a mundane cause.  Bringing up things that you think are evidence as to why you're not deluded and your beliefs are true is of no help.  Deluded people do the same thing for the subject of their delusions.  Once again, no cigar.  Try again.

And yes, all mentally ill people are different.

ETA:  Delusions aren't a typical feature of Bipolar I, unless we're simply describing things differently.  Maybe she needs a better diagnosis.  And maybe she's not deluded in the way she thinks she is.

Everena: No, no and no. We know what we experienced and you have no clue what anyone else has experienced so stop pretending that you do. 

And yes, delusions are common with Bipolar Disorder 1

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Yes, that is my whole point. Higher intelligence aka God is this "natural" you are all referring to. And again, we are not the ones who believe in magic. We believe that higher intelligence created this universe.

Everena: You told us earlier that you didn't believe that, that your meat fairy made this planet and this life out of preexisting material.  Get your story straight.  An intelligently designed liar wouldn't be so incompetent.  
Everena: God aka higher intelligence did create this universe with pre-existing materials. My story is straight. You just have some issues with reading comprehension.

Mental illness is in everyone's family.

Christ almighty, you mean it's not just yours?  Sounds like the meat fairy really fucked the pooch, then.

Everena: Sounds more like people fucked themselves.

[Bucky Ball]

"The theory is that the brain is a receiver of our consciousness"
No. Flat out ---- NO.
Once again, Lying Everena has MIS-characterized a scientific article. The article does NOT say what she is claiming.

NO ONE in Neuro-science EVER says that the brain is the "receiver" of consciousness, and she can quote NO SCIENTIST that says that.
Her posted link to PHYS.org, IN THE SECOND sentence, says precisely the opposite.
"that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons"
DERIVES .... (is not "received) and in fact is synonymous with "emerges" (from) which is the current thinking. NOT RECEIVED.

Typical religionist lying woo-woo.

Consciousness emerges. It is not received.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5924785/

Everena: Wrong. They have never proven that consciousness emerges from the brain. If you read the link, it explains that their theory accomodates both spiritual approaches and materialist thought.

From the article: "The origin of consciousness reflects our place in the universe, the nature of our existence. Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neurons, as most scientists assert? Or has consciousness, in some sense, been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?" ask Hameroff and Penrose in the current review. "This opens a potential Pandora's Box, but our theory accommodates both these views, suggesting consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules, protein polymers inside brain neurons, which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organizing processes in the fine scale, 'proto-conscious' quantum structure of reality."  
https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html

Additionally, Hameroff has hypothesized from the very beginning, that the brain is merely a receiver of consciousness and the quantum vibrations in the microtubules are being received from outside the body somehow. There are like a million videos of him talking about it on you tube. Here is one that I found in like 2 seconds.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkedayxjWvg

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You believe that you had a shared experience and that the cause of that experience was what you thought it was.  As pointed out before, it could have been folie a deux, sloppy thinking, or you could indeed have had a shared experience that had a mundane cause.  Bringing up things that you think are evidence as to why you're not deluded and your beliefs are true is of no help.  Deluded people do the same thing for the subject of their delusions.  Once again, no cigar.  Try again.

And yes, all mentally ill people are different.

ETA:  Delusions aren't a typical feature of Bipolar I, unless we're simply describing things differently.  Maybe she needs a better diagnosis.  And maybe she's not deluded in the way she thinks she is.

Everena: No, no and no. We know what we experienced and you have no clue what anyone else has experienced so stop pretending that you do. 

And yes, delusions are common with Bipolar Disorder 1

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Everena: You told us earlier that you didn't believe that, that your meat fairy made this planet and this life out of preexisting material.  Get your story straight.  An intelligently designed liar wouldn't be so incompetent.  
Everena: God aka higher intelligence did create this universe with pre-existing materials. My story is straight. You just have some issues with reading comprehension.
Christ almighty, you mean it's not just yours?  Sounds like the meat fairy really fucked the pooch, then.

Everena: Sounds more like people fucked themselves.

All delusional people INTERPRET their experiences in a deluded way. You are clearly delusional.
The article says "DERIVED" ... it NEVER says "received".
Your continued LYING is not helping you.

You should be more careful whom you decide to quote, sweetie.

" Penrose states, "I'm not a believer myself. I don't believe in established religions of any kind. I would say I'm an atheist",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

Hameroff "Penrose and I suggest that consciousness involves processes at deeper levels, specifically sequences of quantum computations (~40 per second) in structures called microtubules inside brain neurons"

THAT, Lying Everena, is STILL a physical basis in the PHYSICAL BRAIN, from which they say consciousness EMERGES.

[Everena]

The problem with this moron is that she already believes that space-time has existed and has done so since eternity.  Her God is a species of that space-time, not separate from it or its creator.  The hard part is figuring out where space-time came from originally, but science has some ideas about that.  Once you've cleared that hurdle, the existence of the particulars of our existence are a snap.  Yet she somehow thinks that postulating a temporally eternal God obviates an explanation for space-time, and that once space-time is granted, that a silly ball of energy God is not only useful, but required.  Once you grant space-time as a whole, Occam's razor cuts God off at the knees, regardless of whether we can explain dicks and dayquil or not.

And given Bucky Ball's prior post, I'd like to make a plug for Hanlon's razor.  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

The problems with Lying Everena's nonsense about space-time "always existing" are many. One is that we know that space-time is "distorted" by massive objects and in fact becomes "infinite" at a singularity, (black hole). It is inextricably built into the fabric of this universe, and has specific properties. She has no evidence for any other space-time. What the properties of other universes may be, is yet to be seen. Secondly, (actually her ignorance of this subject shows that she also has never actually studied Comparative Religions .. as theologically "eternal" is not "endless time", but "timelessness" ... thus her concepts fly in the face of the religions she claims to be in synch with, in her ad populum fallacy). None of the major religions (NONE) claim space-time always existed. Secondly, IF her god exists in space-time that existed forever, it has observable properties, which we can measure (relativistic effects). If her god exists in that environment, then ultimate reality remains unexplained, as her god can't be the creator of the very environment it (always) exists in (ie requires). That idea is just stupid ... and theologians and philosophers are well aware of that problem. WL Craig even went so far as to cook up the incredible BS of "non-tensed" time to solve this problem. Everena is a little ignorant nobody, who appears to be unaware of (uneducated in) the general problems everyone knows about in religious thought and philosophy.

Everena: Just because simple human brains cannot wrap their heads around it yet, does not make it untrue. But you are so in love with atheism, I think you should just stay atheists for the rest of your lives, and never consider any other possible option.

[Bucky Ball]

Everena
" Wrong. They have never proven that consciousness emerges from the brain"

Well dear, (Miss Logical ... lol)
None of your woo has even been proven either. According to YOUR logic, all anyone has to do is claim they "experienced" something, and they know what they experienced, thus it's true. LMAO.

If there is no brain, there is no consciousness. Consciousness does NOT persist without a healthy functioning brain.
1+1=2 appears to be too much for sweetie.

[no one]

Something about Everena has been nagging at me. It seems so familiar. Today, it finally came to me. It was in Lord of the Rings. Maybe you recognize it.

[Bucky Ball]

Everena ...

I think you should just stay atheists for the rest of your lives, and never consider any other possible option.

So.... she can't actually address any of the points made. So we get this shit instead.
In fact I have an advanced degree in a related subject .. and your "never consider" is 110 % WRONG. I have friends in religion and out of religion .. the ones IN religion actually have some education in the subject.
Little California woo princess is SO fucking out of her league.

No one is "in love with atheism" ... little ignorant troll. But we get that you need to make up shit to reinforce your little ignorant world.

[Angrboda]

You believe that you had a shared experience and that the cause of that experience was what you thought it was.  As pointed out before, it could have been folie a deux, sloppy thinking, or you could indeed have had a shared experience that had a mundane cause.  Bringing up things that you think are evidence as to why you're not deluded and your beliefs are true is of no help.  Deluded people do the same thing for the subject of their delusions.  Once again, no cigar.  Try again.

And yes, all mentally ill people are different.

ETA:  Delusions aren't a typical feature of Bipolar I, unless we're simply describing things differently.  Maybe she needs a better diagnosis.  And maybe she's not deluded in the way she thinks she is.

Everena: No, no and no. We know what we experienced and you have no clue what anyone else has experienced so stop pretending that you do. 

And yes, delusions are common with Bipolar Disorder 1

My reading, as well as my experience, tells me that delusions are a feature of psychotic episodes in Bipolar I, not a regular feature of having the disorder, as in schizoaffective disorder and schizophrenia. A glance tells me that hallucinations aren't uncommon either. Perhaps the unfamiliarity is what enabled your sister to differentiate them. And I've already been through the "you have no clue what anyone else has experienced" argument before, so why don't you stop pretending that it hasn't already been dealt with. As noted before, the claim is self-refuting and even if it were true, it's not necessary for me to know what you experienced for me to infer that your conclusions about your experiences are irrational and not to be trusted. Apparently you don't learn from experience. A fact which explains many things.