How our thoughts are formed?

[I_am_not_mafia]

So someone posts equivalent unsubstantiated claims as you and the very first thing you do is    ?

Do you think it is therefore acceptable to do the same to you?

IDK can you give me an example of where I made an unsubstantiated claim?

https://atheistforums.org/search.php?act...480de0b44b

[Amarok]

IDK can you give me an example of where I made an unsubstantiated claim?

How about most of the nonsense you write

[brewer]

The KORAN has been rewritten more times since the fall of the ottoman empire than the final 3 star wars movies (if you don't know star wars/that's alot of rewrites.) There are several different version that people in islam are kept unaware of but each sect Shia sunni ect have their own version that supports their various "schisms" or breaks from the original teaching of mo-ham. Of that there are even different versions that focus on different things even within that given sect. For instance an isis version of the koran ready or emphasises different calls to faith than some 3rd generation douche living in the west, who is 'muslim' by their parent's faith only. All the while everyone claiming they have the one and only truth.

There was a you tube video a few years ago who tested several different imams as to the "true quran" where a 500 year old COMPLETE copy (one of the oldest COMPLETE copies known) was read line by line/side by side along with several modern versions and the imams did not recognise the original. it was like a 95% failure rate. Why? Because after the ottoman empire fell (ISlams only true Nation/empire) islam was fractured and what was left was angry, vengeful bigoted people who want to return to a global empire status, so the teaching refocused on the world domination bits... 

Did you know ISIS themselves are the primary people who burned ancient copies of the original Koran so as not to have their versions questioned??? How pissed will those suicide bombers be when they get to where they are going and they get grapes instead of their virgins???

This message has been brought to by the one and only True Christian.

[Drich]

IDK can you give me an example of where I made an unsubstantiated claim?

https://atheistforums.org/search.php?act...480de0b44b

post title, post number and paragraph please..

or do you not see that you are being lead into verifying your own unsubstantiated claim?

[I_am_not_mafia]

https://atheistforums.org/search.php?act...480de0b44b

post title, post number and paragraph please..

or do you not see that you are being lead into verifying your own unsubstantiated claim?

Practically everything you write is unsubstantiated. Rather than go through your entire posting history, shall I just reply next time I see you make an unsubstantiated claim?

[Drich]

The KORAN has been rewritten more times since the fall of the ottoman empire than the final 3 star wars movies (if you don't know star wars/that's alot of rewrites.) There are several different version that people in islam are kept unaware of but each sect Shia sunni ect have their own version that supports their various "schisms" or breaks from the original teaching of mo-ham. Of that there are even different versions that focus on different things even within that given sect. For instance an isis version of the koran ready or emphasises different calls to faith than some 3rd generation douche living in the west, who is 'muslim' by their parent's faith only. All the while everyone claiming they have the one and only truth.

There was a you tube video a few years ago who tested several different imams as to the "true quran" where a 500 year old COMPLETE copy (one of the oldest COMPLETE copies known) was read line by line/side by side along with several modern versions and the imams did not recognise the original. it was like a 95% failure rate. Why? Because after the ottoman empire fell (ISlams only true Nation/empire) islam was fractured and what was left was angry, vengeful bigoted people who want to return to a global empire status, so the teaching refocused on the world domination bits... 

Did you know ISIS themselves are the primary people who burned ancient copies of the original Koran so as not to have their versions questioned??? How pissed will those suicide bombers be when they get to where they are going and they get grapes instead of their virgins???

This message has been brought to by the one and only True Christian.

http://lostislamichistory.com/how-atatur...y-secular/

https://books.google.com/books?id=7W2JUy...re&f=false

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm

https://muslimmemo.com/oldest-manuscripts-of-the-quran/

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Uthman-bur...ct-version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_vq9_Wipic

The one thing you "good people" will NEVER get me on is the research. If I reference something it's because I've read it at some point. All you have to do is ASK for the reference material.

I can usually back it with 3 sources.

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post title, post number and paragraph please..

or do you not see that you are being lead into verifying your own unsubstantiated claim?

Practically everything you write is unsubstantiated. Rather than go through your entire posting history, shall I just reply next time I see you make an unsubstantiated claim?

  As you can see in the above post the opposite of what you claim is true.
or maybe you just don't understand the term you are using

[I_am_not_mafia]

  As you can see in the above post the opposite of what you claim is true.
or maybe you just don't understand the term you are using

You're trying to deflect from my original point.

Do to others as you would have them do to you. Luke 6:31

(The only decent thing the Bible has ever said)

I am trying to point out to you that you complain when people insult you rather than get to know other things about you, but the very first thing you did to someone with similar claims as to yours (from an atheist perspective) is to do a jerkoff emoji.

Do you think that this may be why we end up insulting you?

[The Grand Nudger]

Pass.

[Angrboda]

For centuries now, polemicists hostile to Islam have claimed that the Quran is a fabrication. Scholar John Wansborough wrongly asserted, four decades ago, that there were no manuscripts of the Quran from its first century because it was only authored afterwards. In the 1970s, academics Patricia Crone and Michael Crooke argued that a Judaic sect morphed into what we now know as Islam around 690 CE — an extravagant claim they were to retract later. In the years before 9/11, when news of the Sana’a find first began circulating through the academic world, some predicted it would have the same kind of impact on Islam that Allied bombers had on Berlin.

Gerd-Rudiger Puin, among the first to access the original Sana’a manuscript, and the one who helped restore it, fuelled these claims. Puin took on the Quran head on in 1999, arguing that every fifth line was “just incomprehensible” because it was a collage of sources and texts, not a coherent whole. But, just like Spitaler’s cigar-tin treasure, Puin chose to keep the Sana’a manuscript hidden. He never published the microfilm images he shipped to Germany in 1997. It wasn’t until recently that the Corpus Coranicum succeeded in obtaining high-resolution images directly from Yemen authorities.

It is now clear that the deviations between the lower layer of the Sana’a Quran and the standard text we know today are minor. Behnam Sadeghi, the Stanford University scholar who, along with Uwe Bergmann, carried out the radiocarbon dating of the Sana’a manuscript, detected 32 instances of what he called minor discrepancies in the sections he studied — suffixes, prefixes and the like — and 25 more substantial ones, involving missing words. The changes, it is almost certain, were made on the orders of Uthman bin Affan, a contemporary of Muhammad, who became the third Caliph of the Islamic empire in 644CE. Uthman is said to have compiled the standard Quran to stamp out dissension within the community. Errors were reconciled and the Quran’s suras assembled by length rather than by the time of their revelation. Uthman sent out his version around 650CE, perhaps the time at which the upper layer of the Sana’a text was prepared.

Decades after earliest Quran was discovered, scholars to share full text of the Sana’a manuscript

I don't know whether you're right or wrong, Drich, but the sources you quote do not seem to support your claim that the Quran has been rewritten many times since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

[ignoramus]

cloud doesn't say "I should create rain now."

Why do you assume that?

Surely you're not going to tell me next that horses can fly are you?