| Poll: How do you account for psychopaths? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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| I don’t believe God is responsible for our morality | 4 | 50.00% | |
| I don’t accept that psychopaths really exist | 0 | 0% | |
| Psychopaths are choosing to ignore their innate sense of right and wrong | 0 | 0% | |
| God mistakenly misses out psychopaths when granting morality | 0 | 0% | |
| It’s the psychopath’s fault they have no empathy | 2 | 25.00% | |
| It’s because of “the fall” | 0 | 0% | |
| Other | 2 | 25.00% | |
| Total | 8 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
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 (May 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you believe the stories in the OT are historically factual and not written allegorically. Noticed your pivot from murder to kill. These are not the same thing.  (May 24, 2018 at 3:45 pm)SteveII Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 3:20 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: god must be exempt from the murder clause. god has killed humans (according to your stories) so it is in gods nature to murder. god gets a pass. Kind of a do as I say and not as I do god.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2018 at 3:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
God doesn;t need a pass, because Steve isn;t describing a moral system anymore, let alone an objective one lol.
He;s just telling you that god does what god wants and calling it an objective moral system. It;s disgusting, if you ask me.
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 (May 24, 2018 at 3:47 pm)SteveII Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: So you're a pick and choose. jesus promises to kill murder in revelations. john got it straight from the horses mouth. Apologies, for me murder is killing for no reason. Now fixed. god appears to murder in bible stories/revelations. Stop dodging.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
 Quote:Noticed your pivot from murder to kill. These are not the same thingThe difference is only in justification one uses for the latter. And there is the rub .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb (May 24, 2018 at 3:47 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 3:45 pm)SteveII Wrote: Three things. First, murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another, so...on that score alone God cannot murder. Second, God has the right to judge or show mercy to anyone and everyone, so his decision to take a person's life is a judgement or in some cases, a mercy (because of the eternal soul thing). Third, God does not give commands to himself, so his actions are guided by his nature. That nature (the paradigm of goodness) would ensure sufficiently moral justification if he did decide to take a life. A pass on what? He can't murder. Taking a life? Perfectly within the job description AND guided by a nature that cannot choose a lesser good. Your objection/analysis is overly simplistic. If that's the level of simplicity you need, you shouldn't engage in conversations containing systematic theology. The two are incompatible.
And so the dodging continues
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2018 at 4:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 24, 2018 at 4:09 pm)SteveII Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 3:47 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: god gets a pass. Kind of a do as I say and not as I do god. Well, I mean if it;s his job what can we say, right? Soldiers can;t possibly murder either..because, you know....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (May 24, 2018 at 3:55 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: My ethics professor taught natural law theory from a secular perspective. He told us that it was normally associated with theism but tried to present arguments for it that work regardless of God's existence. IMO, It's not the most compelling moral theory (it has problems like any other), but it has its merits. Natural law doesn't make sense without the concept of 'final cause'. I personally think that is very difficult to justify 'final cause' without appealing to the Divine. I am open to being shown otherwise however.
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