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Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 7:12 am
Hello fellow non-believers,
I registered here to look for assistance on a pretty specific topic. I want to find valid and well researched information on some of the claims that biblical prophets ( e.g. Jesaja, Hesekiel, Amos, Sacharja, Lukas, Apostels) made in regard to the reclamation of Israel. The named prophets are said to have predicted the Jewish Diaspora and also that god will return their ancestral home to them.
When I tried to find some credible information on the internet I usually came across christian websites claiming the validity of these prophecies with loads of Bible quotes. But not a single one that would provide relevant scientific research on the subject.
Why do I even care about that? The reason is a pretty personal one. A friend of mine is a very religious person and I had some pretty heated debates on a variety of subjects with him. Most of the time theses discussions will end with him replying that "I just have to believe or it won't work for you" rebuke. Most religious people I've debated came to that conclusion at some point or another.
But there is one particular topic I don't have enough information on. My friend likes to claim that god already delivered on his promise of returning their ancestral homeland to the Jewish people. And thus all scripture must be true.
Can you help me find the information that I seek?
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 7:41 am
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 7:41 am by Fake Messiah.)
Well yeah bunch of poo poo promoted by delusional Christians. I mean here are some prophecies from the Bible
Jeremiah 49:33
And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.
Dragons!!!
Isaiah 17:1
The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap
But Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities.
Zechariah 10:11
They will pass through the sea of trouble; the surging sea will be subdued and all the depths of the Nile will dry up. Assyria's pride will be brought down and Egypt's scepter will pass away.
Last time I checked Nile never ever dried up. Or maybe it is dry now but communists-skeptics-liberals are keeping it a secret by controlling media and textbooks!
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 7:46 am
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 8:09 am
(May 25, 2018 at 7:12 am)Narishma Wrote: Hello fellow non-believers,
I registered here to look for assistance on a pretty specific topic. I want to find valid and well researched information on some of the claims that biblical prophets ( e.g. Jesaja, Hesekiel, Amos, Sacharja, Lukas, Apostels) made in regard to the reclamation of Israel...
You're looking for well researched information on fictional characters?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 8:18 am
(May 25, 2018 at 7:12 am)Narishma Wrote: Hello fellow non-believers,
I registered here to look for assistance on a pretty specific topic. I want to find valid and well researched information on some of the claims that biblical prophets ( e.g. Jesaja, Hesekiel, Amos, Sacharja, Lukas, Apostels) made in regard to the reclamation of Israel. The named prophets are said to have predicted the Jewish Diaspora and also that god will return their ancestral home to them.
When I tried to find some credible information on the internet I usually came across christian websites claiming the validity of these prophecies with loads of Bible quotes. But not a single one that would provide relevant scientific research on the subject.
Why do I even care about that? The reason is a pretty personal one. A friend of mine is a very religious person and I had some pretty heated debates on a variety of subjects with him. Most of the time theses discussions will end with him replying that "I just have to believe or it won't work for you" rebuke. Most religious people I've debated came to that conclusion at some point or another.
But there is one particular topic I don't have enough information on. My friend likes to claim that god already delivered on his promise of returning their ancestral homeland to the Jewish people. And thus all scripture must be true.
Can you help me find the information that I seek?
Unfortunately not, because if it were real, there wouldn't be any atheists.
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 8:27 am
(May 25, 2018 at 7:12 am)Narishma Wrote: Hello fellow non-believers,
I registered here to look for assistance on a pretty specific topic. I want to find valid and well researched information on some of the claims that biblical prophets ( e.g. Jesaja, Hesekiel, Amos, Sacharja, Lukas, Apostels) made in regard to the reclamation of Israel. The named prophets are said to have predicted the Jewish Diaspora and also that god will return their ancestral home to them.
When I tried to find some credible information on the internet I usually came across christian websites claiming the validity of these prophecies with loads of Bible quotes. But not a single one that would provide relevant scientific research on the subject.
Why do I even care about that? The reason is a pretty personal one. A friend of mine is a very religious person and I had some pretty heated debates on a variety of subjects with him. Most of the time theses discussions will end with him replying that "I just have to believe or it won't work for you" rebuke. Most religious people I've debated came to that conclusion at some point or another.
But there is one particular topic I don't have enough information on. My friend likes to claim that god already delivered on his promise of returning their ancestral homeland to the Jewish people. And thus all scripture must be true.
Can you help me find the information that I seek?
In general, it isa variaton of cold reading. Note the hits and ignore all the misses.
As for Israel, I assume you refer to Isaiah 66:8 (A nation born in a day and all that BS.) Two points. While Israel did indeed declare statehood and independence on a single day (14-May-1948) How could they stretch such a declaration into longer than a day? This ignores all of the work, planning and negotiations over the preceding months so no, Israel did not become a nation in a single day. By that reckoning so did the US (4-Jul-1776) or pretty much any other country that formed a state.
Second, Isaiah 66:9 makes it clear that it is god who will do this. Isn't it odd, then, that he created Israel as a strictly secular state?
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 8:31 am
Revelant scientific research? You must be mad, mad I tells ya.
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 25, 2018 at 8:49 am
Welcome 
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 27, 2018 at 10:28 am
Welcome, also!
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RE: Rebuke on Biblical Prophecy
May 27, 2018 at 1:54 pm
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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