Muhammad the perv

[WinterHold]

Not sure that's a valid answer to the hermeneutic question.

I didn't see a question TBH. More of a note to make

[Angrboda]

Not sure that's a valid answer to the hermeneutic question.

I didn't see a question TBH. More of a note to make

Two interpretations were offered. The natural question is which is correct. Given that the text is supposed to represent a communique from God and His messenger, I think the actual intent is as important as our independent contributions to its meaning. Especially given our contributions to its meaning.

[WinterHold]

Jörmungandr

I didn't see a question TBH. More of a note to make

Two interpretations were offered.  The natural question is which is correct.  Given that the text is supposed to represent a communique from God and His messenger, I think the actual intent is as important as our independent contributions to its meaning.  Especially given our contributions to its meaning.

The Quran stated that it has two types of verse: unspecific ones, and obvious ones. See this:

https://quran.com/3/7?translations=

Sahih International

Sura 3, The Quran:
(7) It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

It is intended for the book to have unspecific verses.
The goal of this is in bald.

[Angrboda]

That sounds an awfully lot like a bunch of weasel words similar to the statements like, "The fool hath said in his heart that there is no God," in the bible. It's a way to have your cake and eat it, too, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

[WinterHold]

That sounds an awfully lot like a bunch of weasel words similar to the statements like, "The fool hath said in his heart that there is no God,"  in the bible.  It's a way to have your cake and eat it, too, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

It's actually giving everyone what they want. I see it this way.

[Mystic]

Actually, everything will be clarified. I've learned it starts of as 99% confusing, till you find one or a few things it you see as clear and understand. Then make your way through that.

If you follow what is unclear from it, you have no one to blame but yourself. You had no proof it was from God.

What is to be followed is what is clear signs in the hearts of those given knowledge.

[Fake Messiah]

Altough even in Quran there is some of Muhammad's homosexual fantasies, like when he fatasized about young boys in heaven:
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
Quran 76:19

I don't think that suggests pedophilia unless you put it in a context that is biased.
Without you writing the text I made bald; pedophilia would not be a part of this.

The Hadith is the source of your problem; not the Quran.

My problem? So what you say that Hadith is made up or in some other way does not matter? Hadith otherwise known as the traditions of Islam.

[Mystic]

Hadiths should be only seen as tools to discover what Quran itself proves through it's own verses. Quran has everything we need, the Sunnah clarifies, if the family of the reminder is to be approached, it must be a long side the book of God, and verified by the book of God and enlightened by the family of Taha and Yaseen of what is in the Quran.

I will get hadiths from Ahlulbayt (as) that show everything is in Quran.

Hadiths are shown to verify that you aren't interpreting out of no where and that their is verification from Ahlulbayt (as) to that interpretation and legacy of knowledge but Quran must referred to as well. They go together and cannot be sepearated.

You go to both thirsty, but never neglect or a twist a verse, to justify a fabricated hadiths because some idols say it's authentic and people attribute purity to those people without knowledge, and Ilmel Rijaal is conjecture through and through, and Quran forbids relying on conjecture.

[Fake Messiah]

Hadiths should be only seen as tools to discover what Quran itself proves through it's own verses. Quran has everything we need, the Sunnah clarifies, if the family of the reminder is to be approached, it must be a long side the book of God, and verified by the book of God and enlightened by the family of Taha and Yaseen of what is in the Quran.

I will get hadiths from Ahlulbayt (as) that show everything is in Quran.

Hadiths are shown to verify that you aren't interpreting out of no where and that their is verification from Ahlulbayt (as) to that interpretation and legacy of knowledge but Quran must referred to as well.  They go together and cannot be sepearated.

You go to both thirsty, but never neglect or a twist a verse, to justify a fabricated hadiths because some idols say it's authentic and people attribute purity to those people without knowledge, and Ilmel Rijaal is conjecture through and through, and Quran forbids relying on conjecture.

Sure, and as we saw in 1st post Hadiths are used to justify necrophilia in Islam; also Hadiths were used by The Islamic Council to decide that because Aisha's still under-developed genitals were not capable of accommodating an adult penis, and after Muhammad's multiple failed penetrative efforts, Muhammad resorted to masturbating by placing his penis between her thighs, simulating a vagina (aka thighing).
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadi...g.22_Aisha

But of course this contradicts Sharia law because masturbating is considered a crime under Sharia law.

Nevertheless this doesn't bother you. What gets you off, especially Atlas, is that Hadiths describe him kissing and fantasizing about boys aka Muhammad being gay. I mean necrophilia and pedophilia sure but being gay is just a line you can't cross.

[Mystic]

Whatever means you use to discover the truth, must with sincerity to discover the truth.