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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 7:44 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 7:28 pm)A Theist Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Right, because..in upside downland, christian bakers can discriminate to their hearts content. Cakes make them gay and shit. #bias! SCOTUS turned upside downland right side up when it determined that state agencies can't discriminate against Christian Bakers.
#shut down state sponsored bigotry against Christians!
I'm not saying you can't be a christian baker. I'm just saying if you own a business, learn to separate your mythology from your business.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 7:55 pm
(June 4, 2018 at 10:47 am)A Theist Wrote: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Colorado Baker who refused to sell a wedding cake to a same sex couple...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...052989001/
EDIT: just heard on the news that the SCOTUS decision was actually a 7 - 2 vote with Ginsberg and Sotomayor dissenting. If I was a baker I would want to be able to refuse service to a marrying couple from the Church of Jesus Christ Christian. Especially if they wanted white supremacist symbols on their cake.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 7:59 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 7:41 pm)Joods Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 3:28 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I believe that they would refuse a straight person who wanted a cake for the same reason as well.
You do understand that they are discussing wedding cakes, right? The bakery does indeed make wedding cakes for straight couples. The contention here is the fact that the bakery wouldn't make a wedding cake for a gay couple and that they feel they shouldn't have to on the basis of their religion. I addressed your comment below and you responded as follows:
(June 5, 2018 at 3:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that it matters if one is heterosexual or homosexual. They don't do cakes for same sex unions.
So clearly you miss the point entirely. The entire case is built around two people being homosexual and the bakery's refusal to offer the same service (making a wedding cake) to those two people, that they normally would offer to a heterosexual couple.
Yes. It DOES matter.
I don’t think that you understand, that they are willing to sell to the people, therefore it is not about or discrimination against homosexuals. But I wasn’t really wanting to get this much into to it anyway. So I’ll leave it be with that.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm
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There are laws in the nursing field preventing a nurse from discriminating against anyone. Can you imagine being in a nursing home and finding yourself being denied care from a nurse?
This retarded baker is no different. He needs to fucking grow up and learn to separate his business from his personal beliefs. Fucking grow a pair and bake a cake for a gay couple. Using one's religious delusion to deny service is beyond retarded, and then religious people wonder why I despise them.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:24 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2018 at 8:28 pm by Amarok.)
(June 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Kit Wrote: There are laws in the nursing field preventing a nurse from discriminating against anyone. Can you imagine being in a nursing home and finding yourself being denied care from a nurse?
This retarded baker is no different. He needs to fucking grow up and learn to separate his business from his personal beliefs. Fucking grow a pair and bake a cake for a gay couple. Using one's religious delusion to deny service is beyond retarded, and then religious people wonder why I despise them. Indeed if you can't separate your public business from your personal belief.You need to get the fuck out .
(June 5, 2018 at 7:44 pm)Kit Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 7:28 pm)A Theist Wrote: SCOTUS turned upside downland right side up when it determined that state agencies can't discriminate against Christian Bakers.
#shut down state sponsored bigotry against Christians!
I'm not saying you can't be a christian baker. I'm just saying if you own a business, learn to separate your mythology from your business. Ahole lives in an alternate universe were Christians in America are victims or have ever been victims of the state. This ruling by the way is not significant in the long run or in the central issue .
Quote:I believe that they would refuse a straight person who wanted a cake for the same reason as well.
Not for their wedding
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:29 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Kit Wrote: There are laws in the nursing field preventing a nurse from discriminating against anyone. Can you imagine being in a nursing home and finding yourself being denied care from a nurse?
This retarded baker is no different. He needs to fucking grow up and learn to separate his business from his personal beliefs.
No he doesn't. There are laws which prevent nurses from doing that because healthcare is something everyone absolutely must have access to. No one needs a wedding cake. Ever.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:30 pm
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Quote:I don't think that it matters if one is heterosexual or homosexual. They don't do cakes for same sex unions.
But they would do so for a straight wedding which is the point
Quote:No he doesn't. There are laws which prevent nurses from doing that because healthcare is something everyone absolutely must have access to. No one needs a wedding cake. Ever.
A service is a service if it's essential or not
Quote:While you may believe that in this instance the use of state power serves a noble cause, the larger issue is whether government power is ever justified to force people to perform work against their will in service of others. It should be noted that the baker's refusal to be the servant of the plaintiffs in no way restricted the liberties of the plaintiffs.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:33 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 12:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: There must be a compelling state interest. There is no compelling state interest for the government to insert itself into voluntary and honest private business transactions any more than there is one for the government to insert itself into private consensual sexual behavior. Even in the extreme case of military conscription during times of war, there have always been exceptions for conscientious objectors, such as for Quakers, etc.
You've become a parody of yourself, Neo. Apparently not everyone agrees with you.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:33 pm
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Quote:Even racists will sometimes set aside their feelings and keep it to themselves just to make a buck.
Which is irrelevant
Quote:The marketplace in the South was distorted by prejudicial government restrictions on public facilities and businesses. It could be that the absence of state laws restricting the liberties of blacks and those who would serve them would have allowed the free market to properly favor businesses that served a wider clientele. But we will never know.
Bullshit Racism was rampant in the south if there was government or not .And again irrivant
Quote:There must be a compelling state interest. There is no compelling state interest for the government to insert itself into voluntary and honest private business transactions any more than there is one for the government to insert itself into private consensual sexual behavior. Even in the extreme case of military conscription during times of war, there have always been exceptions for conscientious objectors, such as for Quakers, etc.
Yes there is such an interest.And because exceptions have existed in the past means nothing
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 8:37 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 7:16 pm)A Theist Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 6:06 pm)Shell B Wrote: So you do mind your own business about other countries?
That would depend. What kind of human rights violations were you talking about? Genocide, or a case similar to the one in Colorado where another country's high court ruled in such a way that you didn't approve of?
Let's just say always, since they're not your country, so they're none of your business.
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