Obama, the Republican 5th Column?

[Mishka]

Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin.

[DeistPaladin]

Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin.

What polls have you been reading? The polls I saw indicated the majority either liked the bill or said it didn't go far enough. The majority also liked the Public Option.

Really, this "reform" bill is woefully inadequate. As long as for profit insurance companies run the show, we've got the foxes running the chicken coup. What is needed is Medicare for All.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin.

Except in these polls and every other poll I've ever seen:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02451.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20...64375.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=112818960
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009...are-option
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/1...3015.shtml
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-i...lic-option
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...bill-.html
http://healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?p=1790
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli...rt_gr.html
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stat...ic-option/

The only people campaigning or lobbying for HC repeal are conservatives and even they know it'll fail.
The public, on the other hand...
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...able_N.htm
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/slim-m...ssage.aspx
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/147455.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health...1poll.html

Support for HC reform is either good or divided, but you know what the public isn't doing? Calling for healthcare reform's repeal as a law. If anything, the public appears disappointed with the HC bill because it didn't go far enough. (Such as through a public option or single payer.)

So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

[Mishka]

Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin.

What polls have you been reading? The polls I saw indicated the majority either liked the bill or said it didn't go far enough. The majority also liked the Public Option.

Really, this "reform" bill is woefully inadequate. As long as for profit insurance companies run the show, we've got the foxes running the chicken coup. What is needed is Medicare for All.

You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...h_care_law

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted.

Wow. You managed to actually produce one poll... and from Rasmussen, no less.
You see, the reason I took just about every poll I could find in a google search is because I didn't want to get called on for using one poll because those are notorious for being able to support a one-sided claim. Since I copy-pasted links to ten seporate polls, I can mark an overall trend that's much harder to argue against.

You found one recent poll. Some of mine are as recent as a mere few months ago, during the fevered pitch of the last congressional election, in which the congresspeople have yet to take office.

Unless you have something more substantive, like maybe four more polls concluding the same trend from seporate sources, I might find the claim to have credibility.

At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law... for now. Not that it really changes anything.

[DeistPaladin]

At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law...

If that's the question, count me among their number.

I don't approve of the band-aid that was slapped on the gushing wound that is our nation's broken health care system, whereupon our pseudo-liberal president declared it was "fixed" and then congratulated himself on the "historic accomplishment". The man must be double-jointed, the way he pats himself on the back so much.

Of course, my number would be added to a poll like this for conservatives to parade around. You have to look at the details of a poll. Of those "dissatisfied", you have to ask why. Too much or too little?

[Mishka]

You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted.

Wow. You managed to actually produce one poll... and from Rasmussen, no less.
You see, the reason I took just about every poll I could find in a google search is because I didn't want to get called on for using one poll because those are notorious for being able to support a one-sided claim. Since I copy-pasted links to ten seporate polls, I can mark an overall trend that's much harder to argue against.

You found one recent poll. Some of mine are as recent as a mere few months ago, during the fevered pitch of the last congressional election, in which the congresspeople have yet to take office.

Unless you have something more substantive, like maybe four more polls concluding the same trend from seporate sources, I might find the claim to have credibility.

At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law... for now. Not that it really changes anything.

At best a poll is only as good at the time it was taken. Hence the obsolescence of your polls. Until you can show that Rasmussen produces incorrect or out of the mainstream results, your attempt to quantify 60% of Americans as a thin majority is laughable.
What do you call the 34% that still are for it? A close to majority number? Really? You probably think that losing 63 seats in the house was a flesh wound to the Dem party too?

[lilyannerose]

You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted.

Wow. You managed to actually produce one poll... and from Rasmussen, no less.
You see, the reason I took just about every poll I could find in a google search is because I didn't want to get called on for using one poll because those are notorious for being able to support a one-sided claim. Since I copy-pasted links to ten seporate polls, I can mark an overall trend that's much harder to argue against.

You found one recent poll. Some of mine are as recent as a mere few months ago, during the fevered pitch of the last congressional election, in which the congresspeople have yet to take office.

Unless you have something more substantive, like maybe four more polls concluding the same trend from seporate sources, I might find the claim to have credibility.

At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law... for now. Not that it really changes anything.

At best a poll is only as good at the time it was taken. Hence the obsolescence of your polls. Until you can show that Rasmussen produces incorrect or out of the mainstream results, your attempt to quantify 60% of Americans as a thin majority is laughable.
What do you call the 34% that still are for it? A close to majority number? Really? You probably think that losing 63 seats in the house was a flesh wound to the Dem party too?

I think the health care bill is bad legislation because I'm for the public option. Your survey doesn't indicate WHY people don't like the bill. Further, more and more poll results are being called into question because you have the cell phone vs. land line. Younger adults are less likely to have a land line, so the skew is towards older Americans in the polling data. Unless you can demonstrate the demographic polled and WHY people are opposed you have nothing. The majority of Americans favored a public option and as a result don't like the health care bill.

[Jaysyn]

Some interesting info about Rasmussen.

But the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints. All of which is to say that his numbers are valuable. But they need to be read with that bias in mind.

Take them with a few very large grains of salt.

[Mishka]

Some interesting info about Rasmussen.

But the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints. All of which is to say that his numbers are valuable. But they need to be read with that bias in mind.

Take them with a few very large grains of salt.

You can compare and contrast them with their predictions of the results of the last election. Rasmussen came damn close.