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Bashing God for the Misery of Life
#41
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: We are not born atheists.


I was.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Either you become atheist because you do not have proof of God IE you test the waters pray for something nothing happens or you have absolute unquestionable knowledge/proof of God yet decide to not believe any way.


Never believed in god, never saw a reason to start.

It's very common in places where people aren't indoctrinated from birth. Atheism IS the default.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You people are so programmed to default to a f-ing snow flake position you don't even think how "you don't know me" messes with your "I'm a atheist" claim.


But I don't believe in god.

I find the belief in gods to be silly.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You can't have it both ways either you have proof and don't believe in God or you tried to obtain proof and got no response.

That's not how it works.

Let me explain do you believe in the existence of extra terrestrials?

If you don't then according to your logic then you should have visited every planet in existence, and all the space in between and not found some.

Now I do not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials BUT I do think that it is quite likely they exist. The missing thing that would make me believe in them is EVIDENCE.

See how that works.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Not to mention everytime I point out you a-hole are biblical illertates 99 out of 100 of you say you were at one point christian or at the minimum attended church. Are you telling me for those who did, none of them ever prayed? So they did if the were christians, and out of those prayer what all were answered and they fell into atheism anyway?


I have read the bible and its shit but also beside the point. I haven't read the Mormon whatever, or the Hindu texts or the Koran but I don't have to because I know that they all appeal to the supernatural. Something that has never been shown to exist and so can just be ignored as the falsehoods I assume they are.


Prove to me that the supernatural is a thing and maybe I'll take another look. But as I have already read the bible and found it to be all rather unlikely I would read ALL the others before re-reading that.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Good lord how retarded are you people? If your going to lie to me so you can preserve your snow flake status lie about your own crystal status don't try and protect the entire snow bank! Fore what works for the individual ice crystal by definition can not work for the entire bank otherwise you could not be unique and unknowable.


Calm down and take some breathes. Feeling better now?



(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: That said look at how much thought you all put into crap like this... look at how I can dissect it just off the cuff... How can you then be secure in your world view I wonder?


I can be secure in my world view because I'm fairly sure I'm right. Big Grin



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#42
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
Considering I still don't know what the fuck a "God" is meant to be after 41 years of people trying to tell me, I'm pretty sure I was born an atheist.
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#43
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 23, 2018 at 3:28 am)robvalue Wrote: Considering I still don't know what the fuck a "God" is meant to be after 41 years of people trying to tell me, I'm pretty sure I was born an atheist.

Same here.



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#44
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 23, 2018 at 3:00 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I was.
Atheism is not a condition or genetic attribute. atheism is a religious beliefs or rather the lack of one. we are not born atheist like were are not born christian because we must elect our religious beliefs. If you believe yourself to be an atheist at birth you are either a liar or delude yourself on who you are or what atheism is.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Either you become atheist because you do not have proof of God IE you test the waters pray for something nothing happens or you have absolute unquestionable knowledge/proof of God yet decide to not believe any way.


Quote:Never believed in god, never saw a reason to start.
because as you have so many time in the past said and challenged me to produce 'proof.' which is one of my two conditions mentioned.

Quote:It's very common in places where people aren't indoctrinated from birth. Atheism IS the default.
defaults are still a choice, to choose to do nothing i still a choice.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You people are so programmed to default to a f-ing snow flake position you don't even think how "you don't know me" messes with your "I'm a atheist" claim.


But I don't believe in god.

I find the belief in gods to be silly.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You can't have it both ways either you have proof and don't believe in God or you tried to obtain proof and got no response.

That's not how it works.

Actually it is. if you had irrefutable proof of God "Atheism by defination would be impossible. therefore if you are atheist you lack proof.

Quote:Let me explain do you believe in the existence of extra terrestrials?
yes as NASA for life or the evidence of it on mars.

Quote:If you don't then according to your logic then you should have visited every planet in existence, and all the space in between and not found some.
Not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying if you do not believe in ET life then you do not have proof to support your belief. If you do then you have irrefutable evidence.

Quote:Now I do not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials  BUT I do think that it is quite likely they exist. The missing thing that would make me believe in them is EVIDENCE.
we are saying the same thing dumb ass you are so use to taking the oppsite side you refuse to acknoweledge when we are saying the same thing.

See how that works.
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#45
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1779796' dateline='1529737237']
I was.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Atheism is not a condition or genetic attribute. atheism is a religious beliefs or rather the lack of one. we are not born atheist like were are not born christian because we must elect our religious beliefs. If you believe yourself to be an atheist at birth you are either a liar or delude yourself on who you are or what atheism is.


No it isn't. Atheism is not believing IN god. I didn't choose to not believe in god I just don't.
I have not believed in god since I was born so for me it was the default view. Never believed, never saw a reason to start.
It is you who does not seem to grasp what atheism is and its really rather pathetic.



(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Either you become atheist because you do not have proof of God IE you test the waters pray for something nothing happens or you have absolute unquestionable knowledge/proof of God yet decide to not believe any way.

Those aren't the only options are they. What if I couldn't give two shits about the idea of god. Literally could not scare less. What then?

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Never believed in god, never saw a reason to start.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: defaults are still a choice, to choose to do nothing i still a choice.

Well I have read the bible. (stupid piece of shit that it was) and have been corresponding here with some theists who have all not managed to provide anything near proof that meets any level that is convincing so there's that.

(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You people are so programmed to default to a f-ing snow flake position you don't even think how "you don't know me" messes with your "I'm a atheist" claim.

Pot kettle.



(June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: You can't have it both ways either you have proof and don't believe in God or you tried to obtain proof and got no response.
Quote:That's not how it works.

Actually it is. if you had irrefutable proof of God "Atheism by defination would be impossible. therefore if you are atheist you lack proof.

I so I need to provide absolute proof for the non-existence of god or atheism is wrong.
That's not how things work is it fella.

You say a thing is real, I say no it isn't, it isn't then up to me to show the evidence for the not thing, you must show evidence for the thing.
And you have failed again and again and again at that.
So no shifting proof burdons please.
there you go old chap.

Quote:Let me explain do you believe in the existence of extra terrestrials?


(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: yes as NASA for life or the evidence of it on mars.


No they don't they have evidence that suggests there "may be" that is quite different from proof of life.

Quote:If you don't then according to your logic then you should have visited every planet in existence, and all the space in between and not found some.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying if you do not believe in ET life then you do not have proof to support your belief. If you do then you have irrefutable evidence.


Ok I'll type slowly as you seem to be hard of thinking.


I said I don't believe IN alien life because of insufficient evidence to support it.


However I did say that I thought it was likely.


I do not have to supply evidence against alien life not to believe it I just need to not have enough evidence to believe in it now.

Let me put it like this.

A person comes into your shop with a jar of pennies and says they have 1000 pennies in the jar, would you always believe them or would you count the pennies.

I'm a count the pennies knida guy.


Quote:Now I do not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials  BUT I do think that it is quite likely they exist. The missing thing that would make me believe in them is EVIDENCE.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: we are saying the same thing dumb ass you are so use to taking the oppsite side you refuse to acknoweledge when we are saying the same thing.

I'm pretty sure you're saying the exact opposite you distended baboons rectum. Jerkoff



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#46
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 21, 2018 at 12:38 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: When it comes to disbelieve, emotions play a very big role, the subconscious too, in that regard disbelief can be an angry reaction for someone's life conditions or misery in life.

Take the example of a sick person. The disease ate their body, and they see the whole world living it up while they are stuck in their bed or chair. Disbelief becomes more reasonable way to satisfy the anger.

Bashing "God" for the misery of the day seems like the perfect scapegoat. But aren't we ignoring the fact, that our existence here might not be for pleasure?

In other words; who said that we should enjoy this life? who said that we must satisfy the stereotype and live the predefined role dictated by the society?

Other organisms have it worse; I mean look at bugs, look at a roach being eaten by ants, or a spider with broken legs at your bathroom.

I wouldn't bash God, I would bash life.

Yes, I do get emotional when people use their religion to justify violence and or oppression. Yes I do get emotional when people use it to deny science.

No, I am not sorry. You tell me why any empathetic sane person should not get angry at those things?

Who said we have to be miserable 100% of our lives? Of course humans have ups and downs but how dare you imply I should not have joy in my life. 

Other organisms have it worse? HOLY SHIT BATMAN, that is the same bad logic I get from Republicans and Libertarians when they argue that working 80 hours a week is a badge of honor, "Other countries have it worse".... No shit, so are you arguing we should reduce our selves to their slave wages to compete?

I bash the logic of God belief. Roaches get eaten by other bugs, bacteria can kill a healthy adult and? Bad shit happening in life does not mean we have to assign super heros and ground villains to explain why good or bad happen. And no, do not expect me to feel bad about having some joy in my life. I am not happy 100 percent in my life no, but why the fuck should I not have some joy?

Atlass, out of all the theists here I have far less problems with you than I do many of the Christians but my overall objection to all religions, are not the individuals themselves, but where they think our species good or bad behaviors come from.

YES, if your religion tells you to blow airplanes up, then I have a problem with you, the individual. If your religion tells you to deny blacks or gays equal rights, again, I have a problem with you. If your religion tells you to deny the age of the planet, or climate change, again, YES I have a problem with that.
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#47
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 25, 2018 at 2:30 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: No it isn't. Atheism is not believing IN god. I didn't choose to not believe in god I just don't.
I have not believed in god since I was born so for me it was the default view. Never believed, never saw a reason to start.
It is you who does not seem to grasp what atheism is and its really rather pathetic.
this is where you guys always fail. Atheism is NOT about what you believe it is about. you people will go one forever telling about what a unique snow flake your system of belief is, but FAIL to understand all your 'snow falls into the same snow bank as everyone else here. As such I can speak generalities about it and you all at the same time.

Look at the unlined part. This means you never had proof of God. which is Exactly what I said is the catalyst of unbelief. It only works 2 ways. Either you have absolute proof there is a god and you believe or or not or you do not have absolute proof and you believe or not. you whether you want to be generically classified or not fit snugly into the first category. You have no proof and you do not believe.

Quote:Those aren't the only options are they. What if I couldn't give two shits about the idea of god. Literally could not scare less. What then?
Again you f-ing moron you have proof and disbelieve out of petulance anyway!!! You either have proof or you do not the point I am making is the one you just made you choose what you want almost despite evidence.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Never believed in god, never saw a reason to start.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: defaults are still a choice, to choose to do nothing i still a choice.

Quote:Well I have read the bible. (stupid piece of shit that it was) and have been corresponding here with some theists who have all not managed to provide anything near proof that meets any level that is convincing so there's that.
it's like talking to a retarded rock...
Seriously how is this NOT an example of the EXACT Thing I am talking about?


Quote:That's not how it works.

Actually it is. if you had irrefutable proof of God "Atheism by defination would be impossible. therefore if you are atheist you lack proof.

Quote:I so I need to provide absolute proof for the non-existence of god or atheism is wrong.
That's not how things work is it fella.

Quote:You say a thing is real, I say no it isn't, it isn't then up to me to show the evidence for the not thing, you must show evidence for the thing.
And you have failed again and again and again at that.
So no shifting proof burdons please.
there you go old chap.
OMG.
are you trolling me? do you not understand I am saying no proof for the atheist is the reason they do not believe in God?
That most tried to verify in some form or fashion got no proof decided God is not real because 'they half assed tried' and not no wishes granted.

Quote:Let me explain do you believe in the existence of extra terrestrials?


(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: yes as NASA for life or the evidence of it on mars.


Quote:No they don't they have evidence that suggests there "may be" that is quite different from proof of life.
actually there are fossils fossils=life.
https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html

Quote:If you don't then according to your logic then you should have visited every planet in existence, and all the space in between and not found some.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying if you do not believe in ET life then you do not have proof to support your belief. If you do then you have irrefutable evidence.

Quote:Ok I'll type slowly as you seem to be hard of thinking.


I said I don't believe IN alien life because of insufficient evidence to support it.
A n d I W i l l T y p e T h i s S l o w e r!!! I KNOW!!! That's my whole point!!! That is how I an group you a holes into a nice little stero type, because the same is true for God.

Quote:However I did say that I thought it was likely.


I do not have to supply evidence against alien life not to believe it I just need to not have enough evidence to believe in it now.

Let me put it like this.

A person comes into your shop with a jar of pennies and says they have 1000 pennies in the jar, would you always believe them or would you count the pennies.
no moron you weigh the pennies. dump them out into a container, zero the scale and the add the pennies. then "math it."
1.45 per pound with copper zinc. if all copper bonus for you. don't accept all zinc pennys, not real money/arcade money

Quote:I'm a count the pennies knida guy.
bet your a candle instead of electric light kind guy too.


Quote:Now I do not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials  BUT I do think that it is quite likely they exist. The missing thing that would make me believe in them is EVIDENCE.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: we are saying the same thing dumb ass you are so use to taking the oppsite side you refuse to acknoweledge when we are saying the same thing.

I'm pretty sure you're saying the exact opposite you distended baboons rectum. Jerkoff
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Nuupe. We are saying the same thing

No evidence no belief. that what makes an atheist tick. you can admit when I'm right even if I am on your side.
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#48
RE: Bashing God for the Misery of Life
(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 25, 2018 at 2:30 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: No it isn't. Atheism is not believing IN god. I didn't choose to not believe in god I just don't.
I have not believed in god since I was born so for me it was the default view. Never believed, never saw a reason to start.
It is you who does not seem to grasp what atheism is and its really rather pathetic.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: this is where you guys always fail. Atheism is NOT about what you believe it is about. you people will go one forever telling about what a unique snow flake your system of belief is, but FAIL to understand all your 'snow falls into the same snow bank as everyone else here. As such I can speak generalities about it and you all at the same time.

Look at the unlined part. This means you never had proof of God. which is Exactly what I said is the catalyst of unbelief. It only works 2 ways. Either you have absolute proof there is a god and you believe or or not or you do not have absolute proof and you believe or not. you whether you want to be generically classified or not fit snugly into the first category. You have no proof and you do not believe.


Again you fail in understanding how this believing in things works. I do not have to have cameras in every room in the world to discount the prospect of under pant stealing gnomes. It is a silly idea that has nothing going for it, just like the silly myths of god.


Stop trying to drag me down to your level.

Quote:Those aren't the only options are they. What if I couldn't give two shits about the idea of god. Literally could not scare less. What then?

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Again you f-ing moron you have proof and disbelieve out of petulance anyway!!! You either have proof or you do not the point I am making is the one you just made you choose what you want almost despite evidence.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: I don't believe in god because there is not only no evidence for it but also because I find it a silly thing to believe in.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Never believed in god, never saw a reason to start.

(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: defaults are still a choice, to choose to do nothing i still a choice.

Quote:Well I have read the bible. (stupid piece of shit that it was) and have been corresponding here with some theists who have all not managed to provide anything near proof that meets any level that is convincing so there's that.


(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: it's like talking to a retarded rock...
Seriously how is this NOT an example of the EXACT Thing I am talking about?


You throw a lot of insults around don't you. Calm down now.

Quote:That's not how it works.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually it is. if you had irrefutable proof of God "Atheism by defination would be impossible. therefore if you are atheist you lack proof.

The absence of evidence for a god is sufficient for me.

Actually I don't know what a god is supposed to be.



Quote:I so I need to provide absolute proof for the non-existence of god or atheism is wrong.
That's not how things work is it fella.

Quote:You say a thing is real, I say no it isn't, it isn't then up to me to show the evidence for the not thing, you must show evidence for the thing.
And you have failed again and again and again at that.
So no shifting proof burdons please.
there you go old chap.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: OMG.
are you trolling me? do you not understand I am saying no proof for the atheist is the reason they do not believe in God?
That most tried to verify in some form or fashion got no proof decided God is not real because 'they half assed tried' and not no wishes granted.

Have you researched every belief system no matter how stupid until there is no possible way that those other belief systems are wrong.
Of course you haven't.
You are just convinced (wrongly) that you are correct.

I do not have to research every stupid idea to be able to discount it.

People believe in a lot of stupid shit and god is one of those things.



Quote:Let me explain do you believe in the existence of extra terrestrials?


(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: yes as NASA for life or the evidence of it on mars.


Quote:No they don't they have evidence that suggests there "may be" that is quite different from proof of life.


https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html
actually there are fossils fossils=life.
https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html


Actually that was found to be wrong OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO. Come on dude get with the times.




Quote:If you don't then according to your logic then you should have visited every planet in existence, and all the space in between and not found some.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying if you do not believe in ET life then you do not have proof to support your belief. If you do then you have irrefutable evidence.

Quote:Ok I'll type slowly as you seem to be hard of thinking.


I said I don't believe IN alien life because of insufficient evidence to support it.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: A n d  I  W i l l  T y p e  T h i s  S l o w e r!!! I  KNOW!!! That's my whole point!!! That is how I an group you a holes into a nice little stero type, because the same is true for God.

Quote:However I did say that I thought it was likely.


I do not have to supply evidence against alien life not to believe it I just need to not have enough evidence to believe in it now.

Let me put it like this.

A person comes into your shop with a jar of pennies and says they have 1000 pennies in the jar, would you always believe them or would you count the pennies.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: no moron you weigh the pennies. dump them out into a container, zero the scale and the add the pennies. then "math it."
1.45 per pound with copper zinc. if all copper bonus for you. don't accept all zinc pennys, not real money/arcade money

So you check that there are pennies there and don't just take it that there are pennies on what someone said , especially if tha jar looks like it does not contain pennies. Thank you for proving my point.

Quote:I'm a count the pennies knida guy.

(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: bet your a candle instead of electric light kind guy too.


I don't know what this means.


Quote:Now I do not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials  BUT I do think that it is quite likely they exist. The missing thing that would make me believe in them is EVIDENCE.
(June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: we are saying the same thing dumb ass you are so use to taking the oppsite side you refuse to acknoweledge when we are saying the same thing.

I'm pretty sure you're saying the exact opposite you distended baboons rectum. Jerkoff
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(June 25, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Nuupe. We are saying the same thing

No evidence no belief. that what makes an atheist tick. you can admit when I'm right even if I am on your side.

So why do you keep on.....sometimes I despair of humanity.



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