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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 10:02 pm)Joods Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 9:58 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: The difference between what he SAID and what is actually happening to kids ...is that his words are only words.
Words that he intended to cause hurt with. And that makes all the difference.
I don't disagree, we should all be cautious, especially if we have influence, and I thought that comment was in bad taste...but...he was trying to paint a grim picture for Trump. Not all kids coming over the border are with their parents, there are human trafficking problems going on, so there's that, too. But, Trump (or you or me) will ever be so desperate to know what it might be like to take the risk of being arrested and separated from your kids, because we are being driven away from our country.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm
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(June 21, 2018 at 10:02 pm)Joods Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 9:58 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: The difference between what he SAID and what is actually happening to kids ...is that his words are only words.
Words that he intended to cause hurt with. And that makes all the difference.
All the difference?
Between hurt that can possibly be caused by words and hurt that is unavoidably caused by actually being ripped from one’s parents?
Between one child and 2300 child that would have been many more but for the fact that there remains some portion of this country that still deserve life for sympathizing more with children than with opportunistic racist troglodytes looking to cling to undeserved privileges?
Between those outages by children being ripped from their parents and this those who snipe from hiding place behind baby trump while idiotically and cravenly seeking political advantage by ripping other people’s babies from their vastly less criminal parents?
Get some perspective.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:14 pm
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(June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:02 pm)Joods Wrote: Words that he intended to cause hurt with. And that makes all the difference.
I don't disagree, we should all be cautious, especially if we have influence, and I thought that comment was in bad taste...but...he was trying to paint a grim picture for Trump. Not all kids coming over the border are with their parents, there are human trafficking problems going on, so there's that, too. But, Trump (or you or me) will ever be so desperate to know what it might be like to take the risk of being arrested and separated from your kids, because we are being driven away from our country.
You make a valid point, however, the words were said with the intent to cause harm. Whether or not this guy is important should not really matter. He put his opinion out there for everyone to see. I think it was vile and he should have known better. There's lots of ways to say that a person disagrees with the current administration without resorting to threats on a child who doesn't have anything to do with what is going on.
I may not like tRump but I certainly wouldn't wish ill will towards his kid. It's not the kid's fault that he has a narcissistic, misogynistic, bigoted,
piece of crap for a father.
(June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:02 pm)Joods Wrote: Words that he intended to cause hurt with. And that makes all the difference.
All the difference?
Between hurt that can possibly be caused by words and hurt that is unavoidably caused by actually being ripped from one’s parents?
Between one child and 2300 child that would have been many more but for the fact that there remains some portion of this country that still deserve life for sympathizing more with children than with opportunistic racist troglodytes looking to cling to undeserved privileges?
Between those outages by children being ripped from their parents and this those who snipe from hiding place behind baby trump while idiotically and cravenly seeking political advantage by ripping other people’s babies from their vastly less criminal parents?
Get some perspective.
I have perspective, thanks. I never said that what is going on was right. I'm just as pissed as everyone else. But see my reply above. If you can't understand it then you miss the point entirely.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:25 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 10:14 pm)Joods Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I don't disagree, we should all be cautious, especially if we have influence, and I thought that comment was in bad taste...but...he was trying to paint a grim picture for Trump. Not all kids coming over the border are with their parents, there are human trafficking problems going on, so there's that, too. But, Trump (or you or me) will ever be so desperate to know what it might be like to take the risk of being arrested and separated from your kids, because we are being driven away from our country.
You make a valid point, however, the words were said with the intent to cause harm. Whether or not this guy is important should not really matter. He put his opinion out there for everyone to see. I think it was vile and he should have known better. There's lots of ways to say that a person disagrees with the current administration without resorting to threats on a child who doesn't have anything to do with what is going on.
I may not like tRump but I certainly wouldn't wish ill will towards his kid. It's not the kid's fault that he has a narcissistic, misogynistic, bigoted,
piece of crap for a father.
(June 21, 2018 at 10:07 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: All the difference?
Between hurt that can possibly be caused by words and hurt that is unavoidably caused by actually being ripped from one’s parents?
Between one child and 2300 child that would have been many more but for the fact that there remains some portion of this country that still deserve life for sympathizing more with children than with opportunistic racist troglodytes looking to cling to undeserved privileges?
Between those outages by children being ripped from their parents and this those who snipe from hiding place behind baby trump while idiotically and cravenly seeking political advantage by ripping other people’s babies from their vastly less criminal parents?
Get some perspective.
I have perspective, thanks. I never said that what is going on was right. I'm just as pissed as everyone else. But see my reply above. If you can't understand it then you miss the point entirely.
I agree, I'm not sure though he was actually willing bad intent upon Trump's kid. It was more to prove a point...but I get it, and don't disagree.
But, just think...his words are still just words, and while they are vile, it's far more vile what's actually going on with others' kids. I liken this to a friend of mine who flirts with married women, and I tell him...''oh, as long as they're not your wife, eh?''
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:37 pm
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Wow Ahole like his hero Trump using kids for politics and for the selfish desire to see Trump supporting bigot get a show back and score some cheap points .Pathetic
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:48 pm
Nothing will come of this. Colbert says Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster, Samantha Bee calls Ivanka a cunt, and now this. No real consequences for any of them. I know a lot of people hate Trump, but can you imagine if anyone said this pre Trump? I'm not even talking just Obama, ANY president and their family before Trump. Their careers would be eviscerated. Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks?
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 10:54 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 10:48 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: Nothing will come of this. Colbert says Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster, Samantha Bee calls Ivanka a cunt, and now this. No real consequences for any of them. I know a lot of people hate Trump, but can you imagine if anyone said this pre Trump? I'm not even talking just Obama, ANY president and their family before Trump. Their careers would be eviscerated. Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks?
You seem to think trump is somehow comparable in any way to any previous president and is therefore potentially deserving of some fraction of respect and considerable accorded any, any, previous president.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 11:13 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:48 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: Nothing will come of this. Colbert says Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster, Samantha Bee calls Ivanka a cunt, and now this. No real consequences for any of them. I know a lot of people hate Trump, but can you imagine if anyone said this pre Trump? I'm not even talking just Obama, ANY president and their family before Trump. Their careers would be eviscerated. Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks?
You seem to think trump is somehow comparable in any way to any previous president and is therefore potentially deserving of some fraction of respect and considerable accorded any, any, previous president.
I think the office he holds deserves at least a modicum of respect. On top of that of the three examples I brought up only Colbert's insult was meant for Trump in particular. The other two were directed at his kids. You can make the argument that Ivanka is at least involved in politicking but Barron is a 12 year old. There's never been this much vitriol directed at a President's family.
I also don't think it does much good for Democrats either. I think the blatant hate pushes away your more centrist and non political voters, as well as also serving as a reason to continue to fire up the Republican base. I think you see that reflected in his approval ratings going up. If it keeps up I don't think the mid terms are going to look as good as the Democrats are thinking they'll be and 2020 will be a nightmare for them.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 11:24 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 11:13 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You seem to think trump is somehow comparable in any way to any previous president and is therefore potentially deserving of some fraction of respect and considerable accorded any, any, previous president.
I think the office he holds deserves at least a modicum of respect. On top of that of the three examples I brought up only Colbert's insult was meant for Trump in particular. The other two were directed at his kids. You can make the argument that Ivanka is at least involved in politicking but Barron is a 12 year old. There's never been this much vitriol directed at a President's family.
I also don't think it does much good for Democrats either. I think the blatant hate pushes away your more centrist and non political voters, as well as also serving as a reason to continue to fire up the Republican base. I think you see that reflected in his approval ratings going up. If it keeps up I don't think the mid terms are going to look as good as the Democrats are thinking they'll be and 2020 will be a nightmare for them.
The office deserve as much respect as the system of which it is a part. A system that can put a trump in that office will only be enabled and encouraged to do more unremediated damage if it continue to be accorded a formal respect as one that functioned adaquately. Disrespecting the system now is the only chance there is to prompt the system to correct itself to the degree where it can begin to earn deserved respect again. Otherwise The formal respect it no longer deserve would simply be a shield for those who robbed it of its respectability to hide behind to while continuing to use the system to do further damage.
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RE: Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped
June 21, 2018 at 11:30 pm
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Well..his mom is probably an illegal immigrant..so..what the problem? Thought you were down for that sort of shit. MAGA!
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