Donald Trump predicting Red Wave!!

[Jackalope]

"Vote for our guy, or you're a nazi!", I imagine, seems juvenile.

...and your labeling everything you don't like as extreme far left isn't?

We don't have an extreme far left in this country, at least not one that has any political power, and no, the Democratic Party isn't it.

Cry me a river. FWIW, I don't use the Nazi pejorative, but I'm happy to label people who support fascist polices as such.

[Joods]

[Jackie]

"Vote for our guy, or you're a nazi!", I imagine, seems juvenile.

...and your labeling everything you don't like as extreme far left isn't?  

We don't have an extreme far left in this country, at least not one that has any political power, and no, the Democratic Party isn't it.

Cry me a river.  FWIW, I don't use the Nazi pejorative, but I'm happy to label people who support fascist polices as such.

Again, we are not at a point in political history to claim "That can't happen here."

I agree.

And when you have 50 former REPUBLICAN law agents warn of political scapegoating and where it can damage national and global stability, you cannot say it is partisan.

If the GOP were the party of Lincoln were now as it was back then, I'd be a republican. If the GOP were the party of Teddy as it was back then, I'd be a republican.

And it is a myth that democrats all love the USSR and Cuba. WE DONT! I hate one party states and theocracies which are simply religious one party states.

It isn't a "pejorative" at this point in history.

Trump has during his run and still is..

1. Attacking his own, McCain 

2. Vilifying the free press.

3. Vilifying his own intel

4. Scapegoating other nations and races and religions.

The same tactics any authoritarian uses.

If you don't want to use "Nazi" that is ok too, Stalin did it, and even China cracks down on dissent. 

Those steps I listed above are how one consolidates power and squashes dissent.

But Trump is literally using authoritarian tactics, lets not pretend only Nazis used authoritarian tactics. But they still did, so it is not a "pejorative".

[Napoléon]

[Jackie]

[Aegon]

[Pat Mustard]

Hey at least I'm honest about it! I just don't believe in large government.

You don't have to believe in it, you just have to understand it is necessary. You want a non-corrupt police and judiciary? large government. You want paved roads? large government. You want a health service which has a near zero chance of killing you? large government. You want your kids to be able to count past ten without taking off their footwear? large government. You want air that you can breathe, water you can drink and food you can eat? large government. You don't want to be slave to a man richer and more powerful than you? large government.

What libertarian leaders won't tell you is that their type of government was tried before, between the 5th century CE and the first stirrings of the centralised state after the Black Death. That type of government nearly killed Europe.

[henryp]

"Vote for our guy, or you're a nazi!", I imagine, seems juvenile.

...and your labeling everything you don't like as extreme far left isn't?  

We don't have an extreme far left in this country, at least not one that has any political power, and no, the Democratic Party isn't it.

Cry me a river.  FWIW, I don't use the Nazi pejorative, but I'm happy to label people who support fascist polices as such.

I'm talking about this from a 3rd person perspective.  Like a person watching a game analyzing strategy.  Calling someone a nazi, if it worked, would be a good strategy.  But I think it's a mistake because people outside of that bubble aren't going to buy into the hyperbole like the people inside the bubble are. 

If Tiz tells Min, these immigration camps are "Just like concentration camps", they're both going to agree wholeheartedly.  But when they take that message to some people who's identity doesn't hinge on this stuff, those people are going to say "Didn't they kill 6 million people in concentration camps?  I saw a picture of these kids watching the world cup.  Those seem very different."  

The point being, rather than presenting the truth, which many people would agree with, they present a lie that people will disagree with.  It's just shooting themselves in the foot for no reason.
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As to labeling everything extreme far left, I don't think I've done that.  I hold a bunch of positions all over the political spectrum.  Oftentimes, I'm okay with various positions on the spectrum on the same issue.

[Pat Mustard]

Well, to be fair, I get a fucking lip twitch when I see fellow atheists sport the Che avatar. Che is the asshole who lead to Castro's Cuba which like the USSR was based on Marxist views. Marx was right in that workers should have a voice, but was dead wrong on how to do that. Ayn Rand economics is the opposite and just as fucked up. 

You do realise that the closest the USSR (or Cuba for that matter) came to being actually Marxist was by misusing his name?

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For the record, I don't support single payer. It wouldn't work here. A secondary public option that can cover everybody in addition to private health care would be the most effective IMO.

You should. We have the secondary public system here in Ireland and all it is is a system to allow the private insurers and hospitals to dump the hard cases and the patients they botch onto the public purse.

It ensures the ensurers and private hospitals (most owned by the rcc) gain all of the profits, while the state has to pay all of the costs.

[Jackie]

Hey at least I'm honest about it! I just don't believe in large government. I think much of it should be privatized such as education, ems and healthcare. At a bare minimum I believe government should serve only a few purposes. That is protect it's people, and it's people's rights. I just want my weed and guns.

BUT....that is how I feel. Don't hurt me

Then quite frankly, you're part of the problem.

Yep, it is not enough to say, "I don't hate gays or blacks". I doesn't even do the white middle class or rural poor any fucking good if they can't pay their bills.

Jefferson hated big banks. He died in debt. Now while he was a great politician, nobody should be a victim to predatory policies. 

If your economic policy is "suck to be you" or "you're on your own", you don't even understand why sick assholes like Napoleon or Stalin rose. Like other life, if one species becomes invasive it upsets the entire ecosystem. The American Revolution happened for the same reason the Russian revolution did. Simply knocking a power down, does not ensure that what arises out of the ashes will be what you personally want.

In the west, what we have done better, even if not perfectly is insist on anti monopoly concepts and checks on power. 


In this moment in history, we are being controlled by money. The same money that bullied government that lead to the Great Depression. The same money that lead to Bush's Great Recession. 

Stalin and Hitler and Napoleon all played on blind loyalty and hyper nationalism.

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Hey at least I'm honest about it! I just don't believe in large government. I think much of it should be privatized such as education, ems and healthcare. At a bare minimum I believe government should serve only a few purposes. That is protect it's people, and it's people's rights. I just want my weed and guns.

BUT....that is how I feel. Don't hurt me

Then quite frankly, you're part of the problem.

We are making weed legal, but it should be regulated just like you cant drive drunk. As far as guns, only a moron thinks we don't have enough. BOTH can be legal and regulated without a wild west no rules attitude.

I agree, Libertarian God is part of the problem. And to Libertarian, do not blow smoke up my ass and try to claim we could run our government with 13 representatives as when the country was founded knowing we have 300 million plus and 50 states now.

If you want limited government the BEST way to do that is TO PAY WORKERS A LIVABLE WAGE AND GIVE THEM AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AND AFFORDABLE EDUCATION. If you want more off of the government dime, THAT IS HOW YOU DO IT!