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Pro-Life Atheists
#31
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: IMO it's immoral to abort a fetus once it becomes conscious.

IMO you are a fucking idiot.
A fetus does not become self aware until ~18 months ex fanny.

Do you even know what "conscious" means? You're essentially saying that a newborn baby can't see, hear, taste, feel or smell.
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#32
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: IMO it's immoral to abort a fetus once it becomes conscious.

Well then, you can apply your morals about this the next time you are pregnant.
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#33
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 3, 2018 at 10:33 am)Alexmahone Wrote:
(July 2, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Succubus Wrote: IMO you are a fucking idiot.
A fetus does not become self aware until ~18 months ex fanny.

Do you even know what "conscious" means? You're essentially saying that a newborn baby can't see, hear, taste, feel or smell.

They can do all those things but they are not self aware.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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#34
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 10:50 pm)surreptitious57 Wrote: Pro lifers who believe in the absolute sanctity of life can not support the death penalty and yet many of them do
So while they hold life to be sacred the principle only applies to those who have not committed a capital offence

Many of them also don't support the death penalty. Religious Catholics, for example. I don't think you can make an automatic correlation between prolife and pro death penalty.
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#35
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
My mother suffered quite a bit when I was coming out. I saw my wife having her vajayjay ripped apart to give birth.

The important part is to be born of a wanting mother. The scariest of all things. Suffice to say all men are born from women. We call them mother.
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#36
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 7:20 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there are any other Pro-Life Atheists here?

Kristine Kruszelnicki is an anti-abortion atheist.

Here is a debate she had with atheist, Matt Dillahunty.






I think Matt makes the stronger argument.


Here's a wiki article on Secular Pro-Life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Pro-Life

(July 2, 2018 at 9:47 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Abortion is the killing of young humans.

At 5 days, all that exists is a 16 cell blastocyst. The cells are completely undifferentiated and it looks like a balloon. It is still in the fallopian tube.

Between week 1 and week four, the cells start differentiating, but there is not even a neural tube yet.

Week 5, the neural tube starts developing nerve cells.

Week 6, neurons have formed synapsis and are sending simple impulses.

Week 7, the heart starts beating.

Week 8, the spinal chord, barely developed, looks more like a tail.

Week 9, the eyes, mouth, tongue are forming.

Week 10, hands and feet are starting to form fingers and toes. Brain waves are present (much different than nerve impulses at week 6).

Week 11, gums and teeth.

Week 12. fingers and toes more recognisable, but still webbed.

Week 13, the fetus is still about 7 cm long (about 2 3/4 inches).

At week 20, the ears are functional, at week 21, the eyelids separate.

So, where in this process does the fertilized egg become a 'young human'?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#37
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 3, 2018 at 1:20 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(July 2, 2018 at 7:20 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there are any other Pro-Life Atheists here?

Kristine Kruszelnicki is an anti-abortion atheist.

Here is a debate she had with atheist, Matt Dillahunty.






I think Matt makes the stronger argument.


Here's a wiki article on Secular Pro-Life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Pro-Life

(July 2, 2018 at 9:47 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Abortion is the killing of young humans.

At 5 days, all that exists is a 16 cell blastocyst. The cells are completely undifferentiated and it looks like a balloon. It is still in the fallopian tube.

Between week 1 and week four, the cells start differentiating, but there is not even a neural tube yet.

Week 5, the neural tube starts developing nerve cells.

Week 6, neurons have formed synapsis and are sending simple impulses.

Week 7, the heart starts beating.

Week 8, the spinal chord, barely developed, looks more like a tail.

Week 9, the eyes, mouth, tongue are forming.

Week 10, hands and feet are starting to form fingers and toes. Brain waves are present (much different than nerve impulses at week 6).

Week 11, gums and teeth.

Week 12. fingers and toes more recognisable, but still webbed.

Week 13, the fetus is still about 7 cm long (about 2 3/4 inches).

At week 20, the ears are functional, at week 21, the eyelids separate.

So, where in this process does the fertilized egg become a 'young human'?

At viability.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#38
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 7:20 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there are any other Pro-Life Atheists here?

Look at the past to see what happened before abortion was legalised and you will realise why I am pro-choice. 

Go on do a bit of research into the lives it ruined.
The death toll among the young women desperate to try any means to get rid of the foetus. The unwanted children left in orphanages to rot.
The burden that those would place on the state.
The horror that would follow re-imposing a ban.

Go on. 


Look into it.

I'll wait.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#39
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 2, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(July 2, 2018 at 8:33 pm)KristinNirvana Wrote: Well, science tells us that the life of a distinct living human being is there at conception. But I am a vegan, pro-universal healthcare, anti-war etc. etc. as well.

Should have named yourself Kristin Stewart; she was another shite actress.

(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: IMO it's immoral to abort a fetus once it becomes conscious.

IMO you are a fucking idiot.
A fetus does not become self aware until ~18 months ex fanny.

So up to a 8th trimester abortion? I doubt people use conciousness as the baseline for whether or not to abort.
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#40
RE: Pro-Life Atheists
(July 3, 2018 at 12:50 pm)LastPoet Wrote: My mother suffered quite a bit when I was coming out. I saw my wife having her vajayjay ripped apart to give birth.

The important part is to be born of a wanting mother. The scariest of all things. Suffice to say all men are born from women. We call them mother.

My first born decided to salute when he came out, which did the wifes nethers no favours at all.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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