RR trots out his big guns.....Wiki. Well, no surprise there. A bunch of apologetic horseshit. Its okay, RR. I understand. You are terrified of accidentally learning that you have been spoonfed bullshit all your life. At least you didn't revert to Timmy the Phony Atheist.
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Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
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(July 4, 2018 at 11:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: RR trots out his big guns.....Wiki. Well, no surprise there. A bunch of apologetic horseshit. Its okay, RR. I understand. You are terrified of accidentally learning that you have been spoonfed bullshit all your life. At least you didn't revert to Timmy the Phony Atheist.Pretty much
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 5, 2018 at 1:17 am
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(July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: ...What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic. Remember that time when zombies attacked the Roman empire and everyone else forgot to document it? The Bible is on it! Matthew 27:52-53
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 5, 2018 at 1:20 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2018 at 1:28 am by Amarok.)
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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What is most interesting about Paulkovich's work is that he generally lists only the works we now have in whole or in part. Hold that thought. Now a 9th century Bishop of Constantinople by the name of Photius read a history by a man named Justus of Tiberias and reported on it. His report essentially says that Justus, despite living in Galilee in the first century and fighting in the Great Revolt, nonetheless never heard of jesus. We no longer have Justus' history as the scribes who worked for Photius apparently saw no reason to preserve something that did not sustain their bullshit. In that sense, perhaps we owe Eusebius a debt of gratitude for phonying up Josephus' work so that xtian scribes had an incentive to preserve Josephus' writings. But it is still a forgery.
Now, we will never know how many books failed to survive the fires in the libraries burned by xtian thugs. That 126 must represent a pitiful percentage of the written history of the Greco-Roman world. But it was xtians who did the copying during the Dark Ages or the Byzantine period and if there had been anything more relevant to be saved for posterity they would have done it. RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 5, 2018 at 2:10 am
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(July 5, 2018 at 2:05 am)Minimalist Wrote: What is most interesting about Paulkovich's work is that he generally lists only the works we now have in whole or in part. Hold that thought. Now a 9th century Bishop of Constantinople by the name of Photius read a history by a man named Justus of Tiberias and reported on it. His report essentially says that Justus, despite living in Galilee in the first century and fighting in the Great Revolt, nonetheless never heard of jesus. We no longer have Justus' history as the scribes who worked for Photius apparently saw no reason to preserve something that did not sustain their bullshit. In that sense, perhaps we owe Eusebius a debt of gratitude for phonying up Josephus' work so that xtian scribes had an incentive to preserve Josephus' writings. But it is still a forgery.Good point Ultimately theists and their apologist allies don't like the argument from silence because they know it's a serious issue so they try and pull false equivalencies or downplay it to lower the standards of evidence so they can shove their god man into legit history
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 5, 2018 at 6:01 am
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Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 5, 2018 at 6:34 am
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It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther Quote:To which methods or principles do you refer?Jehanne made that pretty clear Nice dodge
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