Extremists: a question and a talk

[Fake Messiah]

Recently a 26 yrs old man in Iran was flogged 80 times in public for drinking alcohol at a wedding 10 years ago

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...s-a-child/

So this is Sharia Law, this is not extremism (or is Sharia Law extremism?)
Iran isn’t what’s ultimately wrong here, it’s the belief that Iran stands for. Islam does not condemn this authoritarian behavior, it celebrates it and sees it necessary to maintain "order".

[ReptilianPeon]

Well I mean I've heard it said by apologists that Surah nine refers to the "Battle of Tabouk" (in Saudi, not Tobruk in Libya) or whatever. And yet, do we even have any evidence that this battle between the Byzantines and the Sahabah actually took place? I'd love to see it. I don't recall the Byzantines writing about any such battle. I hope it's not another fabrication (like Mecca being as old as the Pyramids of Egypt).

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages...-9-29.aspx

Isn't that Robert Spencer's website? I guess he's knowledgeable, but he's banned from the UK because the goverment considers him to be "unsavoury". I'm not sure how I feel about him personally; I think he could be too anti-immigrant for me (if he's not be please correct me as I haven't consumed any of his content for many, many years).

[Angrboda]

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages...-9-29.aspx

Isn't that Robert Spencer's website? I guess he's knowledgeable, but he's banned from the UK because the goverment considers him to be "unsavoury". I'm not sure how I feel about him personally; I think he could be too anti-immigrant for me (if he's not be please correct me as I haven't consumed any of his content for many, many years).

From what I can find on google, you might be thinking of jihadwatch.org.

[ReptilianPeon]

Oh, alright then. I seem to have thought they were affiliated. That website include a "list of terrorist attacks" too, which may have thrown me off. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ is blocked in the UK so I'll need to turn on my VPN to view it. Perhaps, oddly, Jihad Watch is not blocked despite being affiliated with Robert Spencer.

[WinterHold]

Who said that the goal of God is preventing "people from getting killed", by sending the scriptures?

You did, by making this thread. I'm going to have to give up debating you from now on.

No, the topic is about "God telling people not to give in to the temptations of the environment", it is not about "God wanting -and failing- to find world peace".

You assumed that because obviously you are biased.
If God wanted to enforce peace, he would've did it in a blink of an eye. You would close your eyes and open them to find flowers and rainbows.

Don't put words in my mouth please, my post is very obvious and the distinction in what I say is even more obvious.
It's up to you to stop debating.

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Regardless, Atlas,

There is no "regardless", you made an accusation Jormungandr and I refuted it. The historical timeline is on my side, so as the argument's pillars.
Islam simply won the debate: these verses were revealed from 622-632 while :
1-The Jews broke the Peaceful Constitution of Medinah after 624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Quray...f_Muhammad

2-The Christians were among the tribal composition of this treaty too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

After emigration to Medina, Muhammad drafted the constitution, "establishing a kind of alliance or federation" of the eight Medinan tribes and Muslim emigrants from Mecca and specifying the rights and duties of all citizens and the relationship of the different communities in Medina, including that of the Muslim community to other communities: the Jews and the other "Peoples of the Book".[9]

3-Christians -and even Jews- were admitted to not being the same; some are hostile and some were friendly:

Sura 3, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=3_116&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

( 113 )   They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].

4-The first encounter against Christians was started by an Arab person protected by Christian Byzantine soldiers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mu%27tah

In Muslim histories, the battle is usually described as the Muslims' attempt to take retribution against a Ghassanid chief for taking the life of an emissary.

Christians who don't agree to Mohammed's -peace be upon him- religion (which is the prohibition of compulsion in the acceptance of religion, murder, rape, robberies) is to be fought. Just like the Jewish tribes that assaulted a Muslim woman with sexual harassment got fought, just like Europe now fights men who sexually assault women.

The Byzantine empire was throwing slaves to the lions as a hobby. Enough said.

any conflict with the Byzantines offers no justification for an attack upon the Jews and Christians.  Nothing in your post refutes any of the problems I've pointed out in my last post.

But Sura 3, verse 113 contradicts what you say, and says that God told Muslims -ordered them actually- not to judge all Christians and Jews the same.

Yes indeed, the case is closed, and you lost. 

Meh.

Now I'm done arguing with you

Thank God

as you have repeatedly claimed that an argument you haven't even heard is false, and you have no explanation for the facts that exist. 

The explanation is above and in my previous posts ! 

And now you're just throwing shit against the wall to see if any of it sticks.

Ew. I'm not into scat fetishes.

Surah 9:29 records the beginning of aggression against the Jews and Christians, not out of defense or because of any broken treaty, but solely because of their beliefs.  It clearly demonstrates that, while you yourself may be a peaceful Muslim, there are legitimate grounds for a Muslim engaging in violent warfare against Jews, Christians, and "hypocrites" solely on the basis of their beliefs and for no other reason.

Despite history recording the Jewish tribe breaking of the treaty that sparked the war, and despite all records saying that, and expect the battle with the Byzantines that was sparked by Christians killing a Muslim ?

You are very biased, and you were given the evidence above. Thank you for showing your true intentions: you're here to bash; not to discuss with facts as a scholar.

Now I'm done talking to you

Again: thank God

because you're simply yet again proving that you're stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and crazy, and cannot look at the issue objectively. 

Yes. That's why I quote a lot of proofs and historical points.

You are nothing less than yet another dishonest Muslim apologist telling lies and stories. 

I couldn't care less.

Islam is not fundamentally a religion of peace, and the Quran and the history of it tell us that beyond a shadow of a doubt.  It's not the likes of ISIS or Al-Qaeda who are the extremists who are distorting the truth of Islam, but morons like you with your absurd and revisionist modernist interpretations.

Blah Blah Blah

[Angrboda]

[WinterHold]

Your argument suck; serpent. Most arguments against Islam are following a similar, almost identical pattern of hiding crucial information, and not showing the public crowd the real events (like the war against the Jewish tribes during Mohammed's -peace be upon him- time began after Jews sexually harassed a Muslim woman, breaking the peace -which Muslims started and kept at first-.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Banu Qaynuqa threatened Muhammad's political position and assaulted a Muslim woman which led to their expulsion from Medina for breaking the peace treaty of Constitution of Medina.[32][33]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza#cite_note-33][/url]

Of course I'm the crazy one if I expose that, we already know that saying the word "jew" is enough to get you crushed under "anti-Semite" accusations.

And, referring to Islam's peaceful and civilized solution represented in the "Constitution of Medinah" is also an attraction for Islamophobes -like you- to butcher the person exposing the fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

[yragnitup]

Oh, alright then. I seem to have thought they were affiliated. That website include a "list of terrorist attacks" too, which may have thrown me off. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ is blocked in the UK so I'll need to turn on my VPN to view it. Perhaps, oddly, Jihad Watch is not blocked despite being affiliated with Robert Spencer.

You can add this link too which keeps watch with statistics of Muslim brotherhood incidents shown by Sunnis to Shias.


Shia Rights Watch

[yragnitup]

German outlet Abendzeitung reported that a 29-year-old Afghan asylum seeker stabbed a 38-year-old woman in broad daylight while she was walking with her children in Prien. Bystanders watched in horror as the migrant brandished a knife and relentlessly stabbed the mother in her head and slit her throat. Of course, the heavily censored German media was hesitant to publish too many details concerning the suspect and his victim. Soon, however, the sordid specifics unfolded.

German media has been allowed by the government to report on the murder of the mother, but Angela Merkel’s pro-migrant government banned German media outlets from reporting on the decapitated baby

Migrant Beheads 1-Year-Old Girl In Germany; Merkel Bans Media Reporting

Muslim Refugee Butchers Mom In Front Of Her Kids For Way She Insulted Islam

[robvalue]

I think I've figured it out now. I was giving the Allah character too much credit. It's not trying to stop people killing each other by writing "peaceful" passages in a book, it's just seeing whether people will follow its instructions or not. We're lab rats, essentially. This is an even worse character than before, showing zero regard for us, and expecting life to be no more than a game for us at best.

There's not really much I can say about such a situation, other than doing what it says because it tells you to is a total abandonment of all autonomy and moral courage.

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PS: I don't know why jihadists should be embarrassed, since they are following what they think Allah is telling them to do. In this scenario, I should be more embarrassed, because I'm ignoring everything Allah says.