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(July 11, 2018 at 9:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Not what I was talking about Brian.... does everything trigger you into a rant about Trump?
I could give a fuck less what you want to call my posts. I am not the problem for simply pointing out the real problem.
We have a dangerous asshole shitting all over western values occupying our highest office. If you choose to ignore that real danger, one that 50 REPUBLICAN former intel agents warned us of in 16, that ignorance is your baggage not mine.
Does it bother you that an atheist can value western ideas? Oh that's right, I am supposed to suck Marx's dick and praise dictators like Putin and Un? Someone is doing that, and it isn't me.
I am not the problem, and no, now is not the time to be polite or silent. Keep staring at my finger while I point at the moon.
Oversight cannot be after the fact. Saying "wait" is stupid and dangerous, it would be like homicide agent saying, "Lets wait until the serial killer racks up dozens." I do not care what this judge's intent is, it is a bad idea, and especially dangerous knowing who is in office now.
I am being completely fair in condemning such a horrible idea. I bring up Trump only because he is the current occupant, but that danger of "wait" would still give too much time and power to cause damage even if that president left after 4 years. This applies to our entire future and to the next generation too.
The founders made it clear that it was important to have the ability to scrutinize power while in power. Saying "wait" undermines that scrutiny.
Again, you seem to be arguing against the voices in your head. I didn’t say anything like that. That you have to change every conclversation to bitch about Trump seems a little unhinged. Why do you quote people when your reply doesn’t have anything to do with the reference?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
(July 10, 2018 at 2:26 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think it depends on what you are talking about. I had said during the Clinton / Monica thing, that it should have waited until after. Now if it was something directly related to the Presidency, then that’s another matter. I think it depends on what it is. Afterwards, you can throw the book at him. For me, it’s not about trying to protect the person in office, but not taking away from the office for a frivolous suit or charge.
Remember Trump has already suggested that he could serve more than two terms.
Combine the two and you get an untouchable dictator like Mugabe, it took decades to dislodge him.
My point exactly. If you "wait" the person in power could use that power to destroy oversight. That is why oversight allows a person, not just politicians, but judges and cops to be removed from their positions for either ethics or criminal reasons. "Wait" would completely neuter that ability.
(July 11, 2018 at 9:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Not what I was talking about Brian.... does everything trigger you into a rant about Trump?
I'm thinking that's a "yes."
To be fair, he does have about three rants (topics), that seem to fit into any occasion with a little variability in each?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
(July 11, 2018 at 11:53 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm thinking that's a "yes."
To be fair, he does have about three rants (topics), that seem to fit into any occasion with a little variability in each?
The president is DIRECTLY related to SCOTUS picks. You cannot separate that fact.
I am being fair and as I said this kind of talk from a judge is dangerous, and do not tell me that if Clinton or Obama made a pick that said the same thing, you'd buy it then.
OVERSIGHT has to be in the moment, not after the fact. We have judges and courts for a reason, we have the power of impeachment for a reason.
I hate to rain on your parade politics matter and our laws matter and the overlap is there and cannot be cherry picked.
And again, do not expect me to apologize. The only one missing the point in this thread is you.
(July 11, 2018 at 11:53 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm thinking that's a "yes."
To be fair, he does have about three rants (topics), that seem to fit into any occasion with a little variability in each?
All we hear about is Trump or "45" and whatnot. Its his perrogative I guess. For us non US citizens, gets annoying. Like there is nothing else happening in the world but Trump. Jeez.
Nobody asks about the Portuguese Prez. But then he is a bookworm insomniac workaholic. I guess its boring for the press. Last time the press was talking a lot about him was for a heat stroke he had a few days ago. Well he is not getting any younger.
(July 11, 2018 at 12:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: To be fair, he does have about three rants (topics), that seem to fit into any occasion with a little variability in each?
The president is DIRECTLY related to SCOTUS picks. You cannot separate that fact.
I am being fair and as I said this kind of talk from a judge is dangerous, and do not tell me that if Clinton or Obama made a pick that said the same thing, you'd buy it then.
OVERSIGHT has to be in the moment, not after the fact. We have judges and courts for a reason, we have the power of impeachment for a reason.
I hate to rain on your parade politics matter and our laws matter and the overlap is there and cannot be cherry picked.
And again, do not expect me to apologize. The only one missing the point in this thread is you.
I don’t think you can say I’m missing the point, when you quote out off context, and against things I’m not saying. You have a reading (listening) problem.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
(July 11, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The president is DIRECTLY related to SCOTUS picks. You cannot separate that fact.
I am being fair and as I said this kind of talk from a judge is dangerous, and do not tell me that if Clinton or Obama made a pick that said the same thing, you'd buy it then.
OVERSIGHT has to be in the moment, not after the fact. We have judges and courts for a reason, we have the power of impeachment for a reason.
I hate to rain on your parade politics matter and our laws matter and the overlap is there and cannot be cherry picked.
And again, do not expect me to apologize. The only one missing the point in this thread is you.
I don’t think you can say I’m missing the point, when you quote out off context, and against things I’m not saying. You have a reading (listening) problem.
What is out of context?
The president nominates the SCOTUS, or am I making that up?
Do we want to live in a society under laws that make it harder to remove abuse of power?
"Wait until they leave office" is a horrible suggestion. That is asking for trouble.
(July 11, 2018 at 12:17 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t think you can say I’m missing the point, when you quote out off context, and against things I’m not saying. You have a reading (listening) problem.
What is out of context?
The president nominates the SCOTUS, or am I making that up?
Do we want to live in a society under laws that make it harder to remove abuse of power?
"Wait until they leave office" is a horrible suggestion. That is asking for trouble.
Pretty much everything you have said is out of context with what you quoted of me.
I wouldn’t agree, that the president cannot be held in check, or gets a free pass; on anything but, there may be some things which can wait, and perhaps should. You should listen to what people are saying, before going off half cocked.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
(July 11, 2018 at 12:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: To be fair, he does have about three rants (topics), that seem to fit into any occasion with a little variability in each?
All we hear about is Trump or "45" and whatnot. Its his perrogative I guess. For us non US citizens, gets annoying. Like there is nothing else happening in the world but Trump. Jeez.
Nobody asks about the Portuguese Prez. But then he is a bookworm insomniac workaholic. I guess its boring for the press. Last time the press was talking a lot about him was for a heat stroke he had a few days ago. Well he is not getting any younger.
I don't care what part of the world you live in. Trump has power, Trump isn't using that power in constructive way. His words have a direct effect on not just domestic policy, but garner a reaction in global diplomacy. If you value your own safety, Trump should be everyone's focus. Merkel lived and understood the cold war era. The states that lived under the former Soviet Union including a split Germany, ANYONE who is old enough, and values the west, will tell you he should not be ignored, even if you don't live in America.
Is America the only country on the planet? Of course not, but right now the world is under threat because of his inept and dangerous behavior.
Sad that it took this NATO meeting to get even Paul Ryan to defend NATO. Too bad that fucking coward couldn't muster the strength to be more verbal during Trump's run.
We do not live on a separate planet. I wish the planet could ignore that orange jackass, but right now, the world should not ignore him.
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