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On Hell and Forgiveness
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 (August 30, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What I always find amusing..is that you can never tell that the non-delusional ones -are- theists. You actually have to ask or be told. REPENT, SINNER! What does it take!? 
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
 RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 31, 2018 at 12:34 am
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(August 30, 2018 at 9:28 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Oh. So religious people are delusional but not in a delusional way. But don't be offended if I say you share all the attributes of being mentally ill and use the same word to describe you as I would to describe the mentally ill because words only mean what I want them to mean so I can be mean and dismissive without sounding mean and dismissive. ^^^ (August 30, 2018 at 10:50 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 10:45 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It’s not argumentum ad populum, but addresses the definition given. That would require a different argument which appeals to popularity of a belief. He's not saying numbers make a belief true. He is saying that according to the definition given of the word delusional, theistic beliefs are not delusional. Because they are "generally accepted as reality".
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (August 30, 2018 at 11:54 pm)Fireball Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What I always find amusing..is that you can never tell that the non-delusional ones -are- theists. You actually have to ask or be told. You know..I dont really get many of those. I think I know why. My oozing cred as A Southern Person telegraphs the fact, to loons, that I'm even crazier than they are..and you don't say that kind of shit to a crazy person.
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 (August 31, 2018 at 12:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He's not saying numbers make a belief true. He is saying that according to the definition given of the word delusional, theistic beliefs are not delusional. Because they are "generally accepted as reality". "Generally accepted as reality" doesn't it make it non-delusional. RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 31, 2018 at 12:47 am
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Don't waste your breath. These sadsacks will latch onto anything. There's a not-so-subtle desperation to god belief...and we're not exactly getting their best people, round here.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (August 30, 2018 at 4:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: For those claiming that theistic beliefs mean a person is delusional, I assume you realize that 17% of people world wide are non religious. Do you really think 83% of the earth's population have delusional disorder? (plus whatever percentage would come from the non religious group). That is an astounding number of people with a pretty serious mental disorder. Maybe we are wrong for having a religion, and you are right for not. But to claim we are all mentally ill, all 83% of us, is unreasonable and illogical.Idk, but look at what we are doing to the Earth, to other living things, and to ourselves. And tons of people deny all of it, while those who accept it might go..... But what can I do? So, meh. I'll just keep from doing the wing and harmful things cause it's too hard to change. Yeah, in a way we are all almost all mentally ill. The sane who are really willing to face reality and do something about are a very tiny minority.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (August 31, 2018 at 12:46 am)Kit Wrote:(August 31, 2018 at 12:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He's not saying numbers make a belief true. He is saying that according to the definition given of the word delusional, theistic beliefs are not delusional. Because they are "generally accepted as reality". According to both medical and non medical dictionary definitions of the word, yes it does. Sounds like you are trying to make up a new definition of that word as an excuse to keep being demeaning to people you disagree with.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 31, 2018 at 1:12 am
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(August 31, 2018 at 1:08 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: According to both medical and non medical dictionary definitions of the word, yes it does. Sounds like you are trying to make up a new definition of that word as an excuse to keep being demeaning to people you disagree with. Veritably like theism: Quote:delusional https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional?s=t
Then keep calling us delusional I suppose. Hope it's worth it if it makes you feel good.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (August 31, 2018 at 1:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Then keep calling us delusional I suppose. Hope it's worth it if it makes you feel good.  It would make me feel better if you accepted that you're delusional and tried to move past that by accepting the realistic truth that god is a false man-made concept. |
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