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On Hell and Forgiveness
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Quote:God's sense of justice requires that all sin be punished.
Yeah that's an absurd non answer
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(September 13, 2018 at 10:47 am)SteveII Wrote: There is not a person in the world that would agree that the number 4 is subjective.

*bzzzt* Wrong answer. If you were aiming for hyperbole, well, mission accomplished! Great
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The number 4 is an abstract concept. It does not represent any distinct subsection of reality. It is only represented by symbols and language. And yes, it’s subjective. Its use depends on the particular mathematical system being employed.

I’d say that someone who thinks “4” exists in the same way that objects exist is either delusional or is misusing language (perhaps unintentionally).

It shows a general problem I’ve seen in many religious people: blurring the lines betweeen the existent and the abstract. Luckily, science keeps on working, numbers keep on being abstract tools and god carries on being indistinguishable from nothing, regardless of what anyone believes.
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(September 13, 2018 at 10:50 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(September 13, 2018 at 10:47 am)SteveII Wrote: There is not a person in the world that would agree that the number 4 is subjective.

*bzzzt* Wrong answer.  If you were aiming for hyperbole, well, mission accomplished!   Great

Indeed. He should have qualified his statement by saying that no rational person believes that the number 4 is subjective. When SteveII asked Polymath for his age, he might has well have added "checkmate."

(September 13, 2018 at 11:01 am)robvalue Wrote: The number 4 is an abstract concept.

Of course it is abstract. The process of abstraction entails abstracting from a thing or group attributes that are actually manifest in those objects. Every true description is a description of something that is actually the case, i.e. a fact. The recognition of those attributes is used to form a mental concept. Mental concepts are also 'real', just in a different category of being. I love how you can talk about things as if they were real and then turn around and say they are nothing at all.
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(September 13, 2018 at 11:05 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(September 13, 2018 at 10:50 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: *bzzzt* Wrong answer.  If you were aiming for hyperbole, well, mission accomplished!   Great

Indeed. He should have qualified his statement by saying that no rational person believes that the number 4 is subjective. When SteveII asked Polymath for his age, he might has well have added "checkmate."

Fine. Show me an example of the number four existing in the universe. As I've already stated, I'm a mereological nihilist. I don't think you're going to get very far along this track. But show me what you've got. I need a good laugh.
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(September 13, 2018 at 11:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(September 13, 2018 at 11:05 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Indeed. He should have qualified his statement by saying that no rational person believes that the number 4 is subjective. When SteveII asked Polymath for his age, he might has well have added "checkmate."

Fine. Show me an example of the number four existing in the universe. As I've already stated, I'm a mereological nihilist. I don't think you're going to get very far along this track. But show me what you've got. I need a good laugh.

If I owed you a dollar, and gave you three quarters, I’m guessing that the objective nature of the number 4 would be cleared up pretty quickly. Maybe you wouldn’t be too concerned about a quarter but, but we can always increase the value.
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(September 13, 2018 at 11:30 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(September 13, 2018 at 11:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Fine.  Show me an example of the number four existing in the universe.  As I've already stated, I'm a mereological nihilist.  I don't think you're going to get very far along this track.  But show me what you've got.  I need a good laugh.

If I owed you a dollar, and gave you three quarters, I’m guessing that the objective nature of the number 4 would be cleared up pretty quickly.   Maybe you wouldn’t be too concerned about a quarter but, but we can always increase the value.

No, it wouldn't. But by all means, further underscore my opinion of you as an idiot.
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